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家园 作为一个曾经的生产现场管理者

我对很多流行的文章是不相信的,美国造船厂学习日本经验几十年没有用就是例证,(中国的财经记者们以为美国商船制造业不行是因为人家实行了产业转移---看看现在汽车制造业工会不依不饶的样子,人家怎么肯把这样的产业舍弃掉,多少就业机会啊,实际原因就是美国商船制造没有竞争力,这是欧美制造业的通病)哪里那么快就能改进呢?

就拿一个简单的员工培训成本来说,东亚企业强调员工对企业的忠诚,企业给员工以终身雇佣待遇,这样企业的培训成本就大大减少了,工人干活也更有干劲了,欧美企业特别是被私募基金控制下的企业(私募公司控制的企业为了方便制造舆论操纵市场,往往要做出坚决裁员的样子给资本市场看,实际上那是饮鸩止渴的做法)在这个方面是不如东亚企业的

不知道该怎么找您说的那篇文章,可以给出链接来吗?

家园 给您看帖子您肯定不信,我找到美国的网站的报道吧

http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/content/jun2008/bw2008065_834270.htm

U.S. Automakers See Surge in Efficiency

The 2008 Harbour Report indicates that there is near parity among the top three U.S. and top three Japanese automakers

by David Kiley

Lifestyle

Good news is hard to come by at Chrysler these days. Its sales have been tanking, and industry observers regularly chatter about whether Cerberus Capital made a worse mistake buying the automaker last year at the front end of a recession than Daimler-Benz did in 1999. But the influential Harbour Report produced by consulting firm Oliver Wyman, which annually tracks factory productivity, says Chrysler's restructuring under Daimler-Benz made its factories as efficient as those of industry leader Toyota (TM).

Those two companies hold a marginal lead over General Motors (GM) and Ford (F), as well as Honda (HMC), Nissan (NSANY), and Hyundai (HYMPY). In fact, the chief author of the study, Ron Harbour, says: "There is near parity among the top three American and top three Japanese automakers." He notes that Detroit's improvement has been staggering and stands in stark contrast to the 1990s, "when the Japanese beat Detroit in productivity two-to-one."

The year-over-year improvement by Chrysler, the best in the industry, couldn't be happening at a better time for the U.S. industry—or Chrysler. "Sales are falling, and the shift to smaller cars is happening faster than the Detroit companies can adapt their manufacturing and downsize," says Harbour. "Can you imagine how much they'd be hurting if they hadn't been making these improvements?"

Chrysler and Toyota take 30.37 human hours to produce a vehicle on average, across all manufacturing of vehicles and parts that go into them. GM takes 32.29 hours, and Ford takes 33.88 hours.

Detroit's Car Challenge

Greater productivity should lead to bigger profits. Despite the near parity among automakers, there is a gulf between the most profitable and least profitable because of the health-care costs and head counts that were in place last year when Harbour's data were collected. Nissan and Honda both earned $1,641 per vehicle last year, followed by Toyota's $922 per vehicle. By contrast, Chrysler lost $412 per vehicle, while GM lost $729 and Ford lost $1,467. All profits were down among the major carmakers because of softening sales of pickup trucks and big SUVs, which pack more profit than passenger cars.

Harbour, whose company has been tracking auto industry productivity since 1980, says the Detroit Three are going to be severely challenged for a few years because of how fast consumers are moving out of trucks and into cars. "These companies have gotten used to earning as much with one pickup truck or big SUV as they do selling 10 passenger cars."

Why is that? A truck or SUV actually takes more steel and other raw materials to build than most passenger cars. But the engineering and assembly of a truck tends to be cheaper, and auto companies have been smart about loading up trucks with features that carry high profit margins. The best-positioned companies right now, says Harbour, are those that are able to build cars, trucks, and SUVs at a single plant to cope with rapid shifts in consumer demand.

Chrysler officials have worked at increasing productivity across the board since 2001, when then-German owner DaimlerChrysler moved aggressively to cut costs. "We set out to reach this goal in 2001 when we had the highest HPV [hours per vehicle] among the North American OEMs [original equipment manufacturers] that are tracked in The Harbour Report, and to have reached this goal is truly an example of how successful we can be," said Frank Ewasyshyn, Chrysler's executive vice-president for manufacturing.

Quality Expectations

The Japanese have long been the productivity leaders, but their operations are being challenged by slower sales as well. Toyota and Nissan, especially, have invested in pickup truck and SUV production in the past few years. None of Nissan's products in this category have been strong sellers. And though Toyota's pickups and SUVs have been better received by the public, sales in those categories are slipping. And in contrast with the Detroit companies, which have been laying off or retiring workers, Toyota, for example, has not been laying off employees even though it has fewer vehicles to build. "It's just the way Toyota operates, so it's even more impressive that it lost only 1.5% in its productivity rating in 2007," says Harbour.

With productivity gains tend to come increases in quality. As carmakers have focused on designing potential problems out of their vehicles from the first hour of computer-generated design and making assembly methods at factories simpler and more stress free, vehicle quality has risen.

But there are exceptions. Harbour's top U.S. assembly plant for productivity is a Jeep plant in Toledo, Ohio, that manufactures the Jeep Wrangler (BusinessWeek.com, 9/10/07). But this week, J.D. Power & Associates noted that Jeep had fallen to dead last in quality, as measured in the first 90 days of ownership. "Jeeps are pretty easy to put together," said Harbour. "But they had a good sales year last year with the four-door Wrangler, and I think a lot of people who bought a Jeep for the first time didn't realize what a rough ride they can be coming out of a nice comfortable car."

If sales projections are right, and U.S. consumers are going to be buying many more of those comfortable and more fuel-efficient cars—and fewer SUVs and pickups—the automakers are going to have to dig deeper and wring even more efficiency and profit out of the plants that build them.

当然,问题还不仅仅是福利,而是SUV和Pickup的销量正在下降---这些正式三大的优势和利润来源。三大能否适时适应这种转变以及是否已经准备好了,只能拭目以待了。

家园 基本上,工会就是寄生虫
家园 奥巴马大概希望三大马上倒掉

三大对布什来说不是问题,他想管也管不了,对奥巴马来说是个大问题,他不想管也非管不可。

问题是,从市场经济的角度来看,救三大并不合理。三大自己挖的坑,要全国人民帮他填。况且要说三大的盘子大影响大,那其他的巨头企业GE、沃尔玛、波音这些员工数目和影响都非常庞大的公司出问题了救不救。当年土共国企改革,N多经济学家拿美国的例子说明该破产的就破产,不应该再往里扔钱,现在倒好,美国学起土共了。

不过奥巴马是打经济牌上台的,三大要是处理的不好,他的政治蜜月也别过了。奥巴马现在最好不要随便说话,现在说的多错的多,象上次说的要三大的管理层下台,这就过了,你是美国候任总统,不是三大的股东,政治干涉企业的运行管理是犯美国大忌的。怎么救,也是个大问题,三大要是好救或者有赚钱的希望,美国金融界早出手了(就像07年收购克莱斯勒的那家资本运营商)。但是三大的问题是没有足够的现金流入来抵消每月的现金流出,而且盘子太大,用钱的地方太多。现在连所有现金都不足以应付接下来几个月的现金开支,才不得已拼车去国会求救。奥巴马竞选时候说要征石油巨头的高额利润税来补贴三大开发环保车,这样他很快就发现石油巨头账面会微利或者亏损。张五常提的救法也很有意思:撤销最低工资、发股或者发债集资、要求其他国家取消汽车进口税。

还有个问题就是产权问题,三大赚钱的时候没想着美国人民,反倒开发了好些平头百姓根本用不起的高档车,现在亏了就哭着要全体纳税人救命。如果真的救回来了,每年的经济收入又怎么算?和土共学习:把三大变成国企,每年三大向国资委分红,然后要全体学生背诵“我国的经济基础是全民所有制”?

家园 这话说的妙

当年土共国企改革,N多经济学家拿美国的例子说明该破产的就破产,不应该再往里扔钱,现在倒好,美国学起土共了。

在我看来,如果这次美国政府救了三大,那简直就是给国企改革的失败作出的终审判决。

家园 被裁员的员工美国公司需要为其购买部分医疗保险吗?

我认为美国公司的医疗保险等等福利负担重的一个原因可能是公司通过裁员来压缩成本,而被解雇的员工公司依然要承担一部分的负担

反过来看,丰田汽车就不通过裁员来压缩成本

据介绍:

Toyota, for example, has not been laying off employees even though it has fewer vehicles to build. "It's just the way Toyota operates, so it's even more impressive that it lost only 1.5% in its productivity rating in 2007," says Harbour

实际上分析一个公司的成本控制情况还应该考虑到公司的开工率和公司的规模(有规模就有规模效益),为什么美国公司倾向于通过裁员来提高生产率,降低成本,是因为当公司开工率不足的情况下,员工过多就意味着浪费,而上面的引文则说明丰田汽车公司的开工率甚至更低“it has fewer vehicles to build.”

用一个指标--- HPV [hours per vehicle] 来衡量企业生产效率是一个办法,但是可能并不全面

另外丰田公司的pickup 和SUV 受到了更多的好评

Toyota's pickups and SUVs have been better received by the public, sales in those categories are slipping

这可能说明了丰田公司具有更好的质量控制能力

家园 美国已经开始救了啊

新浪财经讯 美国政府和国会就援助美国汽车巨头达成原则性协议,同意向三大汽车制造商提供150亿美元联邦贷款,美国众议院最快将于周三对该议案进行表决,一旦国会通过,美国政府将于数日内发放贷款。

  一位白宫官员和民主党资深助理表示,目前政府和国会就原则性协议已经达成一致,但还有一些细节需要进一步厘定并正式定稿。

  根据目前达成的原则性协议,通用和克莱斯勒将获得紧急贷款以避免破产,福特并未要求紧急贷款,但希望在其资产状况恶化时能够获得长期贷款。

  协议中也包含保护纳税人资金的特殊条款,美国政府将设立“汽车沙皇”一职监管汽车巨头,一旦汽车巨头在09年3月31日之前无法兑现此前提出的企业重组计划,“汽车沙皇”将迫使汽车业依照破产法规第11条进入破产程序。

  美国国会众议院最快将于周三对此议案进行表决,国会民主党正在全力争取共和党人的支持票,在奥巴马最近退出参议院后,民主党和共和党在参议院各占50和49的席位。一位民主党资深助理称,至少会有一些民主党人会反对援助计划,因此他们需要12到15位共和党人的支持,才能达到法案通过的60票的底线。

  同时,在国会10月通过的7000亿美元救助计划遭到诟病后,国会并不情愿再通过一项新的政府援助计划。但同时,也有不少人认为,美国政府和国会既然能够救援华尔街的富翁,就更应该救援汽车业濒临失业的蓝领工人。

家园 我倒是觉得,土共改革基本成功就是因为没听这些经济学家的话

当年土共国企改革,N多经济学家拿美国的例子说明该破产的就破产,不应该再往里扔钱,现在倒好,美国学起土共了。

我倒是觉得,土共改革基本成功就是因为没听这些经济学家的话。苏联倒是让国有企业“该破产的就破产”,最后结果大家都看到了。一个企业可以任其破产,但不能让一大批至关重要的大企业一起破产。就算最后都要破产,也要把其中几个拖几年。否则社会和整体经济都承受不了这样的冲击。

家园 那啥

花街的银行家们赚钱的时候也没想着美国人民,反倒开发了好些毒害市场和百姓的巨毒金融产品,现在亏了还不是哭着要全体纳税人救命,而政府连眼都不眨地就此掏出7000亿?!

好歹汽车三大的CEO至少还承诺只能以后只拿1美圆的象征性工资,咱们好象还没有听说有任何一家接受了纳税人救济的花街老板说他愿意只拿1美圆的工资。(倒是前两天把公司弄到破产的美林的大老板还在那要求一份 1千万美刀的奖金(!),好在这个贪心的家伙这两天在压力下改口了。)

最近看媒体和华盛顿政客对是否救济三大汽车的种种指指责、作态,再比照他们对救助花街时的言论,觉得实在有点太虚伪了,虽然三大和花街的老板都不是什么好鸟。

家园 我想你理解有些错误

首先,在美国health care,公司负担比例多少是公司和工会商谈的结果。三大工会过于强大,公司负担太重。即使裁员,对生产工人的福利仍然远高于日本在美国的公司。因为日本在美国的公司没有这样的强势工会。

其次,关于pickup和SUV。

原文的意思是这本来是三大的利润来源。因为他们组装简单,利润高,而且原本美国市场pickup和SUV更受欢迎。三大在这块市场占有率是远高于日本厂家的。但是现状是car目前在美国越来越受欢迎,car才是日本厂家全面打败美国车的战场。而至于说到toyota的better received by the public,只是对比其他日本厂家而言。相对美国公司,日本厂家没有优势。

总结一下,原本美国厂家优势的市场(pickup和SUV)在萎缩,而家用小车(car)市场就是在增加。仅此而已了

家园 说句笑话,欧美人的体形太大,效率肯定赶不上亚洲人。

看看生产线上一个个200磅的工人,打死我也不相信他们干起活儿来能很猴子一样的亚洲人比。不知道有人做过研究吗,就是最简单的人机工程的动作研究,比较亚洲人种和高加索(含黑人)。 现在讲究compact car, small car, 200磅肉塞到focus里,钻来钻去,够受的。

家园 日本汽车制造提高生产力是广泛使用机器人

而不是用人来做。现在美国在这方面已经赶上来了。不知道什么时候中国的汽车工业才能探出头来。

那啥
家园 金融业不怕政府不救

金融不同制造,特别是美国。美国现在可以说是信用社会了,金融杠杆给美国人用到了极致。别说金融业倒闭,就是银行们把钱控制的紧一点,所有人都要倒霉。

举个例子吧,美国人格雷泽收购英国的曼联俱乐部,一共支付了8亿3100万英镑(其中7亿9000万是收购款,4130万是提供给银行和会计事务所的报酬)。格雷泽家族自己掏出的钱只有2.72亿,其余5.59亿都是借的。收购一年后,需要支付给对冲基金的利息和其他费用已经累积到7910万,意味着欠他们的债务膨胀到了3.541亿。

开始时曼联的支持者很不爽:靠,你们这些美国佬又不懂足球又没钱,还搞什么收购!这不是拿俺们曼联开涮吗?于是大规模抵制。老格家的也觉得委屈,我没现金,可是我有信用啊,你们以为随便谁都能借到这么大笔钱的吗?你们能借个10万8万就很不错了,俺们那嘎达都是金融家。

这么高的债务怎么还呢?好办,借新债,还旧债,而且还给新债签个分期还款协议,每年还6200万,正好抵上曼联的税后利润。人家老格家的还说了,生命不息,融资不止,这6200万还是多了点,咱们接着找银行借,先把现在的利息降下来。

后来,另外两美国大亨合伙用4.7亿英镑收购另一家英国足球俱乐部利物浦,开始说是用自己的钱,利物浦球迷高兴了。没想到美国老板一般黑,这钱也是借的,还赶上了高利息和合伙人之间有矛盾,现在利物浦赶着要找下家接手了。最近还有消息说,利物浦欠的债也给人做成了杠杆,就像雷曼债券那种,打包出售。


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家园 所以我认为,90年代的国企改革可以盖棺定论了

90年代在ZRJ手里进行的国企改革,是一场在错误的理论指导下发动,给国家和人民造成了严重损失的大灾难。

家园 说来土共的智囊到底有些谁?

台面上的看上去都不咋地。

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