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家园 哈佛是私校。
家园 ......

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家园 这就是不按法制办事的一个例子,老师做得,学生就学样

还没入校门,第一课已经上了。叫做近水楼台先得月。

家园 引出新的问题,不就是既得利益者吗?
家园 北大是私校还是公校还是北京地区学校?
家园 您花也得了,精也加了,该回答问题了吧。

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家园 发展要兼顾公平

光谈发展,而不谈公平

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家园 说得好
家园 赞同累进制,但是美国不是个好例子。

详情见下:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_the_United_States

In recent years, however, a reduction in the tax rates applicable to capital gains, as well as dividend income, has significantly reduced the income tax burden on non-wage income. An argument is often made that these types of income are not generally received by low-income taxpayers, and so this sort of "tax break" is anti-progressive. Further clouding the issue of progressivity is that far more deductions and tax credits are available to higher-income taxpayers. A taxpayer with $40,000 of wage income may only have the "standard" deductions available to him, whereas a taxpayer with $200,000 of wage income might easily have $50,000 or more of "itemized" deductions. In those two scenarios, assuming no other income, the tax calculations would be as follows for a single taxpayer with no dependents in 2006:

Wage income $40,000 $200,000

Allowable deductions 8,450 51,430

Taxable income 31,550 148,570

Income tax 4,445 46,725

Effective rate 14% 31%

At first glance, this would appear to be highly progressive - the person with the higher taxable income pays tax at twice the rate. But this does not give the complete picture. If you divide the tax by the amount of gross income (i.e. before deductions), the effective rates are 11% and 23%: the higher income person's rate is still twice as high, but his deductions drive down the effective rate to a much greater degree. In addition, most discussions of income tax progressivity do not take into account the social security tax, which has a "ceiling". To expand the above example:

Social security tax $3,060 $8,740

Total tax 7,505 55,465

Rate paid on gross income 19% 28%

In other words, social security tax drives the effective rate up drastically for the low-income as opposed to the high-income taxpayer. This effect would be even more dramatic if the high-income taxpayer had $100,000 of wages and $100,000 of dividends and capital gains. In that case his total income tax would be $35,638, plus $7,290 of social security tax, for a rate on gross income of 21% - very near the rate paid by the low income wage-earner.

Progressivity, then is a complex topic which does not lend itself to simple analyses. Given the "flattening" of tax burden over the years, many commentators note that the general structure of the U.S. tax system has begun to resemble a partial consumption tax regime.[9]

美国这个老资本主义社会,累进制所得税已经实行很久,久得让富人们都找到很多漏子钻了。美国的制度可以做一个参考,也可以让我们看看富人们是怎么钻空子的。

但是要真正的实现

赚之于社会、还之于社会
,中国必须在欧美国家现有的制度基础上更上层楼。

另,个人感觉这个问题,单靠制度是不行的。当然制度是一定要有的,但是要如何让富人合作而不是对抗,要结合一定的社会教育,而且国家政府在某些方面一定要牢牢的抓住主动权,让企业,资本有求于政府。在美国,是政府有求于企业和资本家,所以很多时候必须作一些对人民并不是那么有利的妥协。中国要慎之。

家园 至少9成以上的恶果会转嫁到弱势群体身上

历史的经验早就证明了这个结论。少数几个特例,比如法国大革命、文革等只是特权阶级更倒霉点而已。不过,没过几年特权阶级就把损失捞回来了。

家园 再不看你的贴了。问题大家都看得见,有新意吗?
家园 公民必须纳税当然要靠一定的社会教育

但是强制执行是不可少的,这就是法律,就是制度,这就是政府的意志,也就是绝大多数人的意志,也就是民主。

家园 我觉得这不是“不按法制办事”的例子。

相反,我认为这可能正是国家教育机构制定的招生政策:全国各地高校,都要按照一定比例照顾本地学生。如果只是个别学校这么做,那很明显不公平。但如果大家都这么做,那总体上就是公平的。世界上没有绝对的公平,也没有绝对的不公平。

一个想上北大的武汉人可能因为北大照顾北京考生而感到不公平,可一个想上武大的湖南人也可以因为武大照顾湖北考生而感到不公平。全国绝大多数地区,事实上都处在“比上不足,比下有余”的境地,在抱怨别人被照顾到同时,自己也在享受着一定程度的照顾。

当然,我个人并不赞成现在的这种政策,如果能全国统一录取标准确实更好,至少听起来更公平些,可以减少很多“怨气”。但这些怨气其实只占整个社会人口的极小部分,只是那些考分高却因为地区差别而没被理想学校录取的那部分考生而已。相对于十几亿人口来说,反映在这些人身上的“不公平”实在是微不足道。比这更重要的事情、更急需解决的问题要多得多。

家园 北大当然不是私校。

但是“公校”还是“北京地区学校”,这个问题就像问中国的制度究竟是民主制度还是独裁制度一样,没有一个非黑即白的答案。中国的高校事实上实行的是“双重管理”方式,学术上归教育部门或专业部门管理,而行政上则归地方政府管理。只要学校受地方政府管理,就不可能在招生时不照顾当地考生。

家园 州立大学

<QUOTE>美国州立大学也存在对本州学生收费低,对外州学生收费高的现象。</QUOTE>

州立大学是这个洲的税收支持的,本州人民已经交了钱,享受一下低学费不离谱吧。

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