主题：【原创】加拿大的法轮功是如何没了声音的 -- forger
家园 别代表我，我通常看不到任何一个候选人能代表我。
家园 这年头为啥总是说毛选被投草呢？ 左派就这个水平吗？
新华日报的东西，难道你们要在1949年爱国民党才是真的爱中国吗？台湾海峡没有盖子，游过去吧，对了游到金门才2000米。。。
家园 敢说真话 能独立思考 的确是当代中国知识分子的良心! 家园 你还是先分明白左右派再来谈爱国和爱政府的区别吧 老实说看见“经济大师”也搬出“爱一个腐朽黑暗的独裁政府恰恰是不爱国的表现”这个老调调来还真是蛮意外的
另外劝你多收集点证据再来发表“可惜，主要还是看上了教民家里财产的，真的想打鬼子的太少了”这种言论。再多收集点我爱政府的证据再来哈
还有，大师下次发表
说来说去，都是钱闹的。不知道中国政府没钱了之后，还有没有那么多爱国华侨了。这种高论的时候，最好多收集点有利证据。不过就像我前面说的，从陈MM那贴开始，我对你这种大师也没抱什么高期待了家园 你看迷途笨狼在陈MM帖子里的回复吧 富贵险中求。。。。
Montreal的侨界为了去渥太华迎接老胡发衣服的事情，现在还是一地鸡毛呢。
最后，我也不需要你对我有什么希望，你期待我啥呀？
家园 不对吧？听起来加拿大税法有点奇怪。 按我理解，省税的方法有两个：一是credit,另一个是deduction。
前者是，你已经算出应交税款，比方说本来要交二万税，现在政府给你credit一万，你只需交一万即可。
后者是，你尚未算出税款，但你的收入比方说有十万，现在你拿到一张慈善捐款收据，说你交了一万捐款，这样政府允许你按只有九万收入来报税，这个称为deduction.
慈善捐款一般属于后者，而不能按tax credit来减税.而所得税税率是累进的，因此收入越高，deduction好处就越大。相反，收入越低，省税好处就越有限，因为你本来就没交多少税，甚至政府还要倒贴给你，在倒贴的这种情况下，慈善捐款完全不能省税。
根据你文中所述：“换一句话说，给中国填堵的这种事情，最后是加拿大政府买单的。”
那么只可能是：
某某去举牌，**功其实没有给钱，只是给了一张慈善捐款收据，这样某某就可以最多省下这张收据上数字一半的所得税。
但想一想，不对了，难道举牌的都是高收入阶层？划得来吗？假设能省一万的税，每小时纸面上捐了20元，就得花去1000小时的时间，实际每小时只省10元税，这些人的时间这么不值钱？
对了，你说了“对于华人社会的底层来说，20块一小时这种高工资哪怕是其中的一半，都是不错的工作了，而且，确实不累，盘腿坐地上，久了也习惯了。”这也不对啊，既然是底层，收入肯定不高，根据我前面说的，他的边际税率一定很低，甚至是0，也赚不到几个子啊？
难道在加拿大，慈善捐款不是deduction，可以拿tax credit？
你真正的意思是不是：**功其实还是给钱的，同时也给了捐款证明？如果这样，“最后是加拿大政府买单的”这句话不成立，加拿大政府其实并没有买单，顶多是拿不到那笔税款而已。
所以，你原意是不是说：**功的钱本来就是来源于加拿大政府的，用来给中国政府添堵？现在经济危机，加拿大政府手头紧，这些人财路就断了？
家园 on tax law, 慈善捐款不是deduction， yes, the American tax law system is very different from the Canadian one.
The Canadian tax law only gives you tax credit. Just google tax return form you will understand. The Canadian tax system is very biased again the high-salary-income people and not as friendly as the American one. There is no mortgage interest deduction too.
CASH-charity contribution does enjoy higher tax credits than the average deduction item tax credit.
In comparison, U.S. and UK tax laws are closer, and Canadian tax law more reflects its nature as the largest socialist nation in the world. (maybe second largest after France)
家园 谢澄清。不过。。。 还是有问题：
假如你的收入是一万，而你纸面上捐了二万，难道可以向政府要一万的credit?
或者你本来要交一万的税，而现在你纸面上捐了二万，难道可以向政府要一万的credit?
常识告诉我这可能不行。
The Canadian tax system is very biased against the high-salary-income people。所以高收入者捐款省税好处大，但仅为了这个好处自己去举牌就搞笑了。
家园 deduction is very different from credit--deduction deducts the HIGHER BRACKET income, tax credit benefit is limited by cap rate (please check Canadian tax form).
BTW, LOTS OF CANADIAN TAX CREDITs ARE REFUNDABLE TAX CREDITS (that's quite different from the American tax credits)--so in the end, the Canadian gov. gave more money back to the taxpayers than their withhold taxes.
Google "taxtips.ca and tax comparison".
For some Canadians, they might earn $10k, pay 0 tax and get another $1,000 to 2,000 back from the gov.(federal and provincial)-- that sounds SHOCKING to Americans, but it is true in Canada. The highest returned money is in Quebec: $2,000 based on 2009 data.
America has more NON-refundable tax credits than refundable tax credits. Have you ever heard of Tax Reform of 1986 under Reagan administration? Many loopholes in the system were covered in 1986. Lots of refundable tax credits disappear after 1986.
BTW, U.S. state income tax law is very simple--much simplier than the provincial tax code in Canada.
假如你的收入是一万，而你纸面上捐了二万，难道可以向政府要一万的credit?
--You can donate your accumulated wealth. That's normal. Many private equity fund managers have 0 LABOR income, but lots of capital gains on paper--you should not be shocked. Your scenario is possible, because the 10k returned money can be refundable tax credit. But more likely you will be audited by CRA these days since Canadian gov. is tightening against tax tricks.
The change mainly happened after 2009. Before, it is quite loose. CRA recruited an army of tax auditors in the last two years.
I can not write more, because I might have to send you a bill for professional consulting service then... kidding..
家园 Shocking?Ever heard of EIC? The Americans won't be shocked, because there is something called "earned income credit" in US too, it's for low income families(below 30k), basically you pay 0 tax and can get more than you earned as high as 3k from the government. Of course it's paid by using other tax payers' money.
But I am a bit shocked to know charity donations can be used as tax credit in Canada,this really can be a huge loophole! In US, even it can only be used as deductions, it's still among the IRS's most heavily audited areas in tax returns.
家园 as I said before of course U.S. has refundable tax credits. You do not have to teach me on the U.S. tax since I am paying both U.S. taxes and Canadian taxes. It is also shocking to me when I prepare my first Canadian income tax return several years ago.
My point is that Canadian tax system is designed to help out poor people-- much favorable to low income people than the U.S. federal code. This favorable treatment is obvious in both Canadian federal code and Canadian provincial code.
There are still many loopholes in today's Canadian tax laws. Similar loopholes in the American system were covered long time ago.
家园 我认为是这样的 **功是不给钱的,也给不起.那么他们怎么办呢?就是要求举牌的人承认捐了款,这个捐款的数额是很高的,而且与举牌时间挂钩.也就是说举牌10小时就给个捐200加元的捐款的证明(实际上加拿大税务部门失职,应该把这部分作为收入计入个人所得收税).那么200加元的捐款证明就可以抵100元的税,就相当于举牌人赚了100元.确实是加国政府付钱.
更加可以操作的是,捐款者的名字**功可以任意书写,比如我叫陈**,但我拿捐款证明时要求写李**的名字,因为李交的税多,那么李拿到捐款证明能退的税更多.
这个推论唯一的问题是,**功的账上有支出(给举牌人的钱)有收入(举牌人的捐款)是平衡的,但是这部份钱应该是交税的,如果交税的话,那么就完全达不到扣税的效果了.因为一进一出抵消了.盼楼主解惑.