主题：【讨论】美国，你做错了什么？ -- 东方射日
this america's enemy alive, though constantly on "life support" is in China's best interests.
First, America will not upgrade China into Russia's shoes due to the existence this polar bear.
Second, Russia is weak enough thus unable to harm China, but still functions as a nation to sell its remaining tech and resources to us.
You do not want Russia to be second Haiti. Then a flood of blondes+tata will hit China. Russians first coined the word 黄祸, now we should fear 白祸. Tit for tat.
Russia always perceived China as the potential largest threat. Look at the border between China and Russia. Polar bears are stupid enough and could never establish that kind of co-prosperity as America-Canada share along their thousand-mile border.
顺便说一下，您是我最近刚发现的一个大右派
。很关注您的文章，因为感觉您对民主自由的认识很深入，是很纯正的西方观点。希望您多发文。
您的观点估计在河里会有很多人不认同，但是希望通过交流能让彼此都有新的认识。在您的文字中感觉您认为很多人被洗脑了。我觉得其实洗脑不可怕，人的认识都受到过别人影响。只要能保持开放的心态，承认自己的认识有继续改变的可能性就好。不同思想交流的作用就是让自己大脑中的认识保持活力，而不是僵化不变。我想河里的很多人，尤其是不那么坚定的中间派，都对自己认识改变的可能性持开放的态度。希望您也是这样。其实不同认识交锋中的胜负无关紧要，能让读文的人有所启迪才是论坛存在的价值。
I am central among my american colleagues... A big hat from you, too heavy for me.
因为感觉您对民主自由的认识很深入，是很纯正的西方观点
民主自由的认识很深入--there are many mistranslation in Chinese literature. 民主=Republic, not everyone must have one vote. 自由=civil liberty/freedom--means rights that can not be taken by the government.
民主自由--that's for domestic voters/citizens, not for foreigners. Therefore, one can practise 民主自由 for its citizens, while practise imperialism over foreign nations. That's in the history of Athens, Rome, Carthage, Britain, US...
we all learn from each other. I taught my self US political science by reading through US textbooks/history. So I avoid the poisoning of Chinese media many years ago(actually I did not realize that until that web debate). I was not naive as to what America is.
I was just puzzled why people trust Chinese articles on US history without double checking English sources--so easy in today's world.
在您的文字中感觉您认为很多人被洗脑了。
--Do not use the term brain-washing. I will prefer to say: people were blocked by language barrier, thus could not access alternative source of info. That's why I say "language is POWER!". Look at the Christian Reformation. If Luther did not translate Latin bible into easily understood German, Germans would still live under the terror of Catholic church today. The same case applies to the English/Dutch. In 17th Europe, English=language of liberation and enlightment.
不同思想交流的作用就是让自己大脑中的认识保持活力，而不是僵化不变。我想河里的很多人，尤其是不那么坚定的中间派，都对自己认识改变的可能性持开放的态度。希望您也是这样。其实不同认识交锋中的胜负无关紧要，能让读文的人有所启迪才是论坛存在的价值。
--Fully agree. I am not a stubborn man. The pity is that some posters live in the world surrounded only by chinese media and could not access alternative info.
Actually in the English media, the French history/politics were also reported in a biased way. That's why I sometimes rely on French websites for info to de-wash the English brainwashing. That's a lesson I learned over time.
如果总体来看的话，那么跟社会主义、集体/集权主义相比，西方的资本主义、个人主义统称右派。其中福利+自由派是右派中的左派，纯市场+宗教派是右派中的右派。但是三者之间不是线性的关系（左--右左--右右），而是呈一种三角关系。
not good.
I just talked to a friend from Ukraine today. He told me that ever since the Orange Revolution, the economy became even messy. 2009 Ukraine actually suffered 25% decline in GDP! My god.
Maybe that's exactly what America likes to see.
The former vassal states such as Poland/Czech..., good. Because they will be absorbed into the Europe-NATO orbit and thus enjoy the benefits from switching camp.
社会偏见是社会化的人的一种感性的行为，是普遍存在的，无论这个群体是在哪种制度之下，地位如何。无数问题都是社会偏见造成的，而语言，就是造成社会群体之间偏见的一个非常重要的原因。
database.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics
It is all there, just need to read it. Then naturally, you understand the word "right" means different things in US and China.
说实在的，您要不给出链接我肯定不会去读这么长的文章的。太懒了，不自觉。看来学习还是有点压力的好啊。
不过看了文章以后大乐。原来我的三角形居然和“古人”心有戚戚焉。
哈耶克哎，当然俺是比人家晚了50年。不过也不错了。莫非我是抄袭？我是真不记得我以前读过类似的东西。不过也可能读过，忘了，然后换个马甲回到脑子里，感觉是自己又发明了一遍。嗯，那简直是一定的了。
他还说
这都是1960年的文章，现在美国这种自由派和保守派的念也都在变化。肯定没有共和党人叫自己是liberal了，你要这么说他等于是骂他。
Wiki的这片文章又提到了中右和极右的概念。中右就是保守+经济自由主义，极右是纳粹、法西斯。但是共产主义并不在此类。也没有讨论相应的中左、极左的概念。
整个文章都没有对社会主义国家及其内部的派别再进行新的左右定位。其实好象是这样的。中文文章中分析美国的政治势力时，保守派/自由派和右翼/左翼这些词都在用。但是我好象不记得美国人在政论中谈到中国的政治势力时用左翼和右翼的称呼。他们只是用自由主义者和保守势力这样的说法。您的体会呢？
其实我也是觉得保守派/自由派的提法比左右的说法更明确。但是不管怎么说，从这个三角形的框架来看您右派的帽子是摘不掉了。
最后说一句，什么事情都是可以讨论的。我可能喜欢给您戴帽子，不过这只是借用其中的概念，并不是做价值判断。望见谅。
专制体制无左右之分,专制体制里没有自由空间,左派右派都会被消灭.左派右派是相生相克,当一派被消灭,另一派离死期也不远了.
美国只是从本国利益出发,你们没有倒向西方也是从本人利益出发.中国动荡对美国有利对你们有害.