主题：【原创】比亚迪电动车的情况汇报 -- 1cat

所以总感觉ＢＹＤ有点吹牛在里面。

深圳出租车的主力目前是1.8排量的桑塔纳和红旗（就是奥迪100），这两种车的好处无他：皮实，维修养护较便宜。一辆出租车从服役起，一天要在路上跑24小时（白天司机加夜晚司机），低价位能承受这种强度损耗的，目前只有这两种。不用F3或者F6，很正常。

但是从家用车的角度来看，深圳还是有很多F3在跑的。至于看不到多少蓝白标志，那个，据说很多买了车的都换个丰田牛头，伪装花冠去了……目前F3的上牌量是一个月近万辆，以为还是可信的。

比亚迪固然总部在深圳，但目前生产基地还在西安。据说深圳生产基地会以1.5排量的F3为主。

比亚迪汽车是明修栈道，暗渡陈仓，吹的都是自己也不信的。一个劲的打电池牌，但看他的重心，还是以抢占低价家用车市场为主，比亚迪的模具做得很好。比亚迪电池和电子代工，是全球唯一敢和鸿海叫板的企业，以管理层的智慧，我相信他们能以最有利的决定扩展最可能的市场份额。

虽然两家因为挖墙脚闹得很不愉快，一度鸿海曾经禁止比亚迪的车进入厂区

但是现在伟创力也是到处收购啊，似乎也立志要成为最大的代工企业

纽约波士顿大街上现在混合动力出租车到处都是。

买了众泰2008装成特锐，买了瑞虎装成RAV4的，等等，无非是挣个面子而已，因为后者卖得比较贵。如果不认可，根本不会买，毕竟私家车是自己用，中国的消费者鬼精着呢。

F3和F6是BYD汽车主打的三菱发动机系列啊。混合动力和纯电动，不过是他的噱头罢了。国内目前仍没有新能源车的市场，是最主要的问题。

可以预见的将来，猜想至少5年内，混合动力不会成为其主要产品，仍然是三菱和自研发动机的系列。即使到时电动车成本和实用性能达到一个合理的程度，估计也不会有很大的产量。BYD的车从上市开始就有很鲜明的市场针对性，用低价格和同价位最好的模具和做工来抢占已存在的低价家用车市场，6万块的F3从模具做工来看，并不逊于11万的天津丰田的花冠。从另一方面来看，我也很怀疑他们是否会老心费力地真的去开拓新能源车市场？他们如何说的不重要，但从F3上市以来的经营手段看，新能源车车不过是宣传的需要罢了。

再说出租车。普锐斯也在一汽丰田国产，但不会有人拿来当出租车用。天朝不比米国，木有新能源车采购免税，木有任何相关优惠，只有硬邦邦的30万一辆车（不含税费），买不买随便。所以没啥人买。高成本再加上普及率低带来的维护与零件费用高昂，全寿命省下的那点油钱根本不划算。特别是出租车行业，看中的是低成本，耐用，维护保养便宜。不要说BYD连影子也没有的电动车，即使主力的F3系列，在耐用性上也远逊国产化多年的桑塔纳和捷达。

如果奇瑞吉利某款车像极了花冠，估计消费者也是这个干。国产车的牌子毕竟还是不如丰田

公交车、中巴、大巴车大可以装更多的电池模块，从环保的层面考虑节能效率不错（因为公交车比小车有更高的空间利用率）。并且以公交为基础建立电池模块充电/更换站也比较容易推广，等有一定规模后再针对普通消费市场进行扩展。

如果国家对环保真下狠心，只要BYD这技术比较过关那么推广混合/纯电车就不是难事。

这东西的确是核武级别，大规模开发、推广对于企业的收益是巨大的，对于国家、社会的影响也将是巨大深远的——假如电动车价格上比较便宜有一定竞争力，其在环保上又非常有优势，那么中国民众肯定大量购买，则人们出行范围将会大大扩展，乡镇城市化也比较容易了。

国家在这个事情上面要有支持，出台相关的政策。对电动车如果有对奇瑞那样力度的支持就好了

涨到250一桶国家肯定就会大力支持新能源了~

搜索了一下，BYD的英文网站。

http://www.byd.com/tech/F3etech.asp?show=t1&color=a

F3e technology

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The electric power cost is equal to 1/3 of a gas operated car; top speed is over 150km/h; and it takes less than 13.5s to accelerate from 0-100km/h. In addition, the maximum grade ability is more than 30%, the electrical consumption is less than 12 kwh per 100km, and the range is over 300km in one charge. Meanwhile, the battery's life-cycle is about 2000 times, enabling the vehicle to run as far as 600,000kms in one battery’s life time.

0-100km/h加速时间小于13.5秒。一次充电行程大于300km.

Rechargeable Battery Technology http://www.byd.com/tech/Etech.asp?show=t1&color=b

EV’s powered by Fe-batterys take only 8 seconds to accelerate from 0 to 100km/h. The range per charge is over 300km. In addition, the Fe-battery has overwhelming advantages such as: low cost, extended cycle life, zero emission and reuse.

使用铁电池0-100km/h加速时间仅有8秒。一次充电行程大于300km.

还是没有找到，一次充电行程大于300km的测试是怎么得出的？

如果所说都属实的话，那是汽车的一个里程碑，西方汽车公司都要砸上门来要求合作了。

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Ford executive urges Congress to help fund development of plug-in hybrid vehicles

By KEN THOMAS

Associated Press Writer

Associated Press Newswires

English

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WASHINGTON (AP) - A top Ford Motor Co. executive urged the U.S. government to make a greater commitment to the development of plug-in hybrids on Wednesday, warning that the country was falling behind in developing the technology critical to the advanced vehicles.

Mark Fields, Ford's President of the Americas, said at a conference on plug-in hybrids that bold incentives are needed to speed up the development of advanced batteries that are key to the vehicles.

"The governments of Japan, China, Korea and India are all significantly funding the research development and deployment of plug-in hybrid vehicle technologies. This is a race we absolutely must win," Fields said.

"It seems clear that a business case will not evolve, in the near term, without support from Washington," he said at the conference, sponsored by the Brookings Institution and Google.org, Google Inc.'s philanthropic arm.

Fields said most of the battery supply is being developed in Asia, underscoring the need for a government-industry partnership to help develop the next generation batteries and help automakers upgrade their factories to build the cutting-edge vehicles.

"For those looking to plug-ins to answer our energy security concerns, we must ensure that we have a domestic battery supply. Moving from imported oil to imported batteries clearly would not address this growing concern," he said.

The conference, which featured displays of plug-in vehicles, drew several car manufacturers, technology firms and alternative energy advocates who have been urging a larger commitment from government given record-setting fuel prices and the nation's dependence upon foreign oil.

Democrats in Congress have sought a $3,000 tax break for consumers to buy a plug-in hybrid, but many speakers said a broader number of incentives was necessary.

"We don't have time to wait. We can't have this happen slowly," said Felix Kramer, founder of CalCars, a California company that developed plug-in hybrids.

Several car makers are testing plug-in hybrids that could allow owners to plug the vehicle's battery into a standard wall outlet to recharge it. General Motors Corp. is developing an extended-range plug-in electric vehicle called the Chevrolet Volt which it hopes to launch in 2010.

Toyota Motor Corp., meanwhile, announced Wednesday that it would introduce a plug-in hybrid with next-generation lithium-ion batteries by 2010 that will target leasing customers.

Ford has a demonstration fleet of 20 plug-ins through a partnership with Southern California Edison. The companies are studying ways to accelerate mass production of the hybrids.

Fields said the company's plug-in, which has a 10 kilowatt advanced lithium ion battery, could average 120 miles to the gallon while the vehicle runs on mostly electric power for the first 30 miles (48 kilometers) the vehicle is driven after a complete charge.

But he said they are trying to improve the battery's durability, ensure its quality and make it more affordable. Ford has not given a firm date on when it expects to mass market the vehicles, but said last year that it could take 5 to 10 years.