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  • 家园 【原创】房地产并未触底,房贷公司New Century狂跌36%

    本来承诺要答谢老中提供的网址,写写Subprime mortgage lenders, 今天正好有相关新闻,就此开始挖坑。

    今天道琼斯跌了,各大金融新闻纷纷指出是和房地产市场不好有关系。外链出处

    Subprime lenders全面下跌,而最惨的就是New Century Financial (NYSE: NEW), 居然狂跌了36%!

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    外链图片需谨慎,可能会被源头改

    你要是看看P/E,肯定很迷惑,因为只有2.87。但是不要以为这个是大好的买入时机,因为NEW刚刚发布消息,承认自己低估了defaulted loans的比例,实际的风险要比当初预估的要大!这个并不奇怪,多少人狂炒房产的时候,提供给银行的收入数字都是假造的,结果实际收入只有2-3万美元的人,拿到了巨额的贷款,每个月的利息支出,他们不吃不喝也还不了,坏账率不高才怪呢。放贷公司和银行一样,自有资产是占总资产很少的,大部分都是别人的钱拿进来再放贷出去吃息差的,如果贷款出来问题,不要说盈利会转为亏损,公司破产都有可能,迄今为止,已经有超过14家subprime lenders破产停业了。

    现在美国国会也开始就这个房贷问题做文章,而偏向于打击所谓predatory lending,也就是认为有所谓贷款陷阱存在,放贷公司故意以不实手法骗人上钩。外链出处

    其实固然有这个方面的问题,一个巴掌拍不响,不少借钱的人未必有多么无辜,为了赶上炒房发财的快车,撒谎骗贷的事情有的是。不管怎么样,现在不断走软的房价已经让这些不良贷款成为了巨大的金融风险,而且风暴还在酝酿之中,随着强制拍卖的数量不断增加,加上放贷公司不得不控制风险,收紧贷款标准,借钱的人们两头受挤,危机爆发的日子越来越近了。风险最高的当然是所谓的subprime mortgage,尤其是所谓刚开始只付利息,两年后才本息皆付的。

    前不久还有人觉得房地产市场已经触底,实际上只是错误的信号,房地产的噩梦还远远没有结束,大量的subprime mortgage都是在05-06贷出去的,占到整个房贷的40%,而这些贷款之中,由于不少是两年为期开始本息皆付,所以会在07-08集中发生问题。

    Countryside Financial (NYSE: CFC)前一段爆出收购传闻,这个实际上十分的可疑。现在的市场越来越被操纵,这个谣言很可能也是大户出货的手段之一。作为占有subprime mortgage市场15%的CFC,实际的坏账率肯定低不了,一方面有质量的贷款越来越少,另外一方面坏账逐渐浮现,CFC到时候有可能需要政府出面搭救,但是在任何解救措施之前,它的股价可能跌的七晕八素,也不能免除破产的可能性。

    • 家园 房贷公司新的噩梦:被房奴告上法庭!!

      CFC, NDE和其他23家房贷公司被房奴们告上法庭,控告的罪名是欺诈性贷款,24名房奴大多是60岁以上的老人家,有固定收入,总共求偿1亿美元,不仅如此,还要求不得追帐和强制拍卖他们的房子,这样的话,房贷公司如果输了官司,那真是赔了夫人又折兵。不要小看这里只有24个人,美国法律是案例法,如果这个案子房奴们打赢了,全国的房奴都可以在类似的条件下要求赔偿,这样的话房贷公司不知道要赔多少钱了。次级房贷的野火,还要持续烧下去!

      Countrywide Financial, IndyMac sued for fraud damages: New York Times

      NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- Countrywide Financial Corp. (CFC : Countrywide Financial Corp

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      NDE29.90, +0.52, +1.8%) , and 23 other defendants were sued by homeowners asking for $100 million in mortgage-fraud damages and a halt in debt collection and foreclosures, The New York Times reported in its Friday editions.

      The 24 homeowners claim that they were victims of a Ponzi scheme, according to a suit filed in state court in Mineola, N.Y., the paper reported.

      The suit asks a judge to impose a new standard on lenders that would limit loans to borrowers who are deemed suitable. Most of the homeowners were over the age of 60 and had fixed incomes.

      "By extending these loans, the mortgage lenders have earned, and stand to earn over time, enormous finance and interest charges," the homeowners said in the complaint, the Times reported.

      Calabasas-based Countrywide and Pasadena-based IndyMac Bancorp did not immediately return calls for comment.

      Newspaper Web Site: http://www.latimes.com

    • 家园 盘后又跌了25%,$10.92 ,唉,没有胆去short

      http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/new-century-says-wont-meet/story.aspx?guid=%7BC13DE0D3%2D528C%2D4CD1%2DBAE0%2D73BD1FC7D8F5%7D&siteid=yhoo&dist=yhoo

    • 家园 在加州,CFC拿回来的房子REO增加66%

      截止到2月14日,仅仅7个星期的时间里,CFC就从付不起房贷的人手里拿回来236套房子,增加到596套。所谓REO,就是REAL ESTATE OWNED,或者说LENDER OWNED,也就是放贷一方从无法支付房贷的房奴手里强行收回的。

      外链出处

      即使建筑商们一套房子也不建,待售房屋也一样增加,来源就是REO。不少建筑公司本来现金就少得可怜,甚至债务是现金的100多倍,不卖房子连债务都换不上了,而这样的市场恐怕就是割肉也得卖,否则会被债主逼上法庭吧。

    • 家园 Subprime lender - 卖空的策略浅谈

      这里是几个次级房贷公司/银行的代码:

      AHM CFC HRB LEND FICC FED NEW NFI TMA WFC

      我一直对CFC做空,即使并购谣言传来的时候,也并没有改变自己的SHORT POSITION。其中一个组合是卖空本股,同时买进了相当数量的call option,这样就消除了upside risk.

      现在看来,最脆弱的公司可能是那些实力最弱的,上面的AHM等都不大,就可能是这样的对象,甚至有破产的可能。WM, WFC的业务相对杂,规模也不小,所以做空不是最理想的,但不排除他们的房贷风险也很大。大市有可能撑不过第一个季度,或者到4\5月份,那之后可能发生2000年股市崩盘以来最大的股灾。但是我买入的put option, 大都还是明年1月份到期的。即使没有所谓熊市,一个调整也可以很容易让很多股票跌10%或以上,而调整肯定是要发生的。

      • 家园 请教一下,怎样卖空呢?

        E-trade好像没有卖空得功能,只有call or put option. 再有能不能不要 marginal account 卖空,也就是我给出 100%的保证金,比如卖空 1000股Cisco,我抵给你25000美元,在一定期限内(我不知道如何定义这个时间),我买回来(用押金,如果上涨,我再补钱)给你就是了. 我赚差价。

        敬请指教。

        • 家园 没有用过Etrade,你可以跟他们咨询一下

          卖空本股一定需要margin account, 因为你是借了股票来卖,而且要按出售金额计算利息的,跟借钱一样。

      • 家园 泡沫

        美國全靠製造泡沫來支持著。

        當地產泡沫正在破裂中,仍在營造股票泡沫。未來還將有甚麼泡沫呢?

        這次地產泡沫自911後狂減利息而來。而當利息最低時,記得格林斯潘出來講,浮動按揭的好處。這更形成了火上加油。其後是一方面加息,但聯儲局仍大放銀根。雖然並沒有公佈M3,但據估計,是以約11%的增長。這些熱錢,除了美國外,世界都受其影響。

        現在是那些次級房貸公司出事,相信不多久會擴展到其他房貸公司。Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae會否重登新聞榜?買入他們的債卷者,將承受多大的損失?

        • 泡沫
          家园 房贷分级制度不同,所以不能混为一谈

          Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae不会沾手subprime, 所有的零售基金、机构基金都不能沾手。Subprime的主要买家是hedge fund, qualified investor (本身必须要有两百万美元以上的可投资资金,总身家在五百万美元以上),这个市场一般的小投资者就算想玩也没门。而subprime也未必扩大很多,原因在于subprime的ABS通常都有个fine print clause, 如果下跌到某个地步,本来打包的initiator要自己吃进,所以Wells Fargo这种银行的subprime房贷虽然打包上市了,要是情形太坏很可能要自己上身。

          当然要是大规模赖账那就难说了,但是美国的房贷分级很严格,所以subprime会影响正规的房贷市场从规则上来说是夸大了。

        • 泡沫
          家园 The Second Great Depression 1

          這悲觀論者的看法會否成為事實?

          Mike Whitney

          Counterpunch

          Wednesday, February 21, 2007

          "The US economy is in danger of a recession that will prove unusually long and severe. By any measure it is in far worse shape than in 2001-02 and the unraveling of the housing bubble is clearly at hand. It seems that the continuous buoyancy of the financial markets is again deluding many people about the gravity of the economic situation."

          Dr. Kurt Richebacher

          "The history of all hitherto society is the history of class struggles."

          Karl Marx

          This week's data on the sagging real estate market leaves no doubt that the housing bubble is quickly crashing to earth and that hard times are on the way. "The slump in home prices from the end of 2005 to the end of 2006 was the biggest year over year drop since the National Association of Realtors started keeping track in 1982." (New York Times) The Commerce Dept announced that the construction of new homes fell in January by a whopping 14.3%. Prices fell in half of the nation's major markets and "existing home sales declined in 40 states". Arizona, Florida, California, and Virginia have seen precipitous drops in sales. The Commerce Department also reported that "the number of vacant homes increased by 34% in 2006 to 2.1 million at the end of the year, nearly double the long-term vacancy rate." (Marketwatch)

          The bottom line is that inventories are up, sales are down, profits are eroding, and the building industry is facing a steady downturn well into the foreseeable future.

          The ripple effects of the housing crash will be felt throughout the overall economy; shrinking GDP, slowing consumer spending and putting more workers in the growing unemployment lines.

          Congress is now looking into the shabby lending practices that shoehorned millions of people into homes that they clearly cannot afford. But their efforts will have no affect on the loans that are already in place. $1 trillion in ARMs (Adjustable Rate Mortgages) are due to reset in 2007 which guarantees that millions of over-leveraged homeowners will default on their mortgages putting pressure on the banks and sending the economy into a tailspin. We are at the beginning of a major shake-up and there's going to be a lot more blood on the tracks before things settle down.

          The banks and mortgage lenders are scrambling for creative ways to keep people in their homes but the subprime market is already teetering and foreclosures are on the rise.

          There's no doubt now, that Fed chairman Alan Greenspan's plan to pump zillions of dollars into the system via "low interest rates" has created the biggest monster-bubble of all time and set the stage for a deep economic retrenchment. Greenspan's inflationary policies were designed to expand the "wealth gap" and create greater economic polarization between the classes. By the time the housing bubble deflates, millions of working class Americans will be left to pay off loans that are considerably higher than the current value of their home. This will inevitably create deeper societal divisions and, very likely, a permanent underclass of mortgage-slaves.

          A shrewd economist and student of history like Greenspan knew exactly what the consequences of his low interest rates would be. The trap was set to lure in unsuspecting borrowers who felt they could augment their stagnant wages by joining the housing gold rush. It was a great way to mask a deteriorating economy by expanding personal debt.

          The meltdown in housing will soon be felt in the stock market which appears to be lagging the real estate market by about 6 months. Soon, reality will set in on Wall Street just as it has in the housing sector and the "loose money" that Greenspan generated with his mighty printing press will flee to foreign shores.

          It looks as though this may already be happening even though the stock market is still flying high. On Friday, the government reported that net capital inflows reversed from the requisite $70 billion to AN OUTFLOW OF $11 BILLION!

          The current account deficit (which includes the trade deficit) is running at roughly $800 billion per year, which means that the US must attract about $70 billion per month of foreign investment (US Treasuries or securities) to compensate for America's extravagant spending. When foreign investment falters, as it did in December, it puts downward pressure on the greenback to make up for the imbalance. Everbank's Chuck Butler put it like this:

          "Not only did the buying stop in December by foreigners in December, but the outflows were huge! Domestic investors increased their buying of long-term overseas securities from $37 billion to a record $46 billion. This is a classic illustration of 'lack of funding'. So, the question I asked the desk was 'Why isn't the euro skyrocketing?'"

          Why, indeed? Why would central banks hold onto their flaccid greenbacks when the foundation which keeps it propped up has been removed?

          The answer is complex but, in essence, the rest of the world has loaned the US a pair of crutches to bolster the wobbly dollar while they prepare for the eventual meltdown. China and Japan are currently hold over $1.7 trillion in US currency and US-based assets and can hardly afford to have the ground cut out from below the dollar.

          There are, however, limits to the "generosity of strangers" and foreign banks will undoubtedly be pressed to take more extreme measures as it becomes apparent that Team Bush plans to produce as much red ink as humanly possible.

          December's figures indicate that foreign investment is drying up and the world is no longer eager to purchase America's lavish debt. The only thing the Federal Reserve can do is raise interest rates to attract foreign capital or let the dollar fall in value. The problem, of course, is that if the Fed raises rates, the real estate market will collapse even faster which will strangle consumer spending and shrivel GDP. In other words, we are at the brink of two separate but related crises; an economic crisis and a currency crisis. That means that the unsuspecting American people are likely to be ground between the two mill-wheels of hyperinflation and shrinking growth.

          In real terms, the economy is already in recession. The growth numbers are regularly massaged by the Commerce Department to put a smiley face on an underperforming economy. Industrial output continues to flag (In January it was down by another .5%) while millions good paying factory jobs are being air-mailed to China where labor is a mere fraction of the cost in the USA. Also, automobile inventories are up while factory production is in freefall.

          In addition, new jobless claims soared to 357,000 in the week ending February 10. 44,000 more desperate workers have been given their pink slips so they can join the huddled masses in Bush's Weimar Dystopia.

          • 家园 阶级从来都存在,也从没有消失过

            什么社会都要解决公平和效率的问题。美国之所以在根本上面临经济衰退,主要的原因还是贫富差距越来越大,中产阶级的收入和财产实际上在缩水,实际消费能力在减小。金融寡头通过各种方式和渠道聚集财富,而这些财富很大一部分事实上是从越来越穷的中产阶级和底层那儿搜刮来的。

            • 家园 Life is a circle!!

              資本主義從來都是無所不用其極來逐利的!!

              五六十年代,當社會主義好像會席捲全球,令他們稍為克制。來緩和社會矛盾。中產於是抬頭。隨著中國轉向,蘇聯瓦解。威脅不復存在。九十年代開始,見到那些壟斷開始重來。現在那些上市公司負責人所收取的薪酬,差不多全無管制。最初是低下階受影響。現在中產亦已兩極化。

              甚麼時候,社會主義重來?

              Life is a circle!!!

              • 家园 全世界无产者快要联合起来了

                前一段听NPR讲北美钢铁工人工会计划和欧洲的钢铁工人工会联合起来,成立一个跨国工会,这样一来大罢工就会横贯大西洋了。,工会的说法是,既然大公司可以跨国,那么工会也应该跨国。当然工会联合的主要问题是:最大的发展中国家中国和印度的工会不发达,就算发达国家的工会联合起来,资本家还是有地方可以去的。马克思的预见还是很有意思的。

            • 家园 同意!所以你要做的就是让自己上升到更高的阶级!
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