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复 "您...算了,我到此为止"--止了吗?自相矛盾的话别人不能引用?

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如果您依然是那一套就止了

您说自相矛盾就自相矛盾了吗？

请看清楚些。依然不服就请说清楚您觉得哪里不对。如果是断章取义地引一句话出来乱批，恕不奉陪。

复如果您依然是那一套就止了

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我批你自相矛盾,不是吗?

复我们这儿的辩论太不专业了,请看两帮科学家的辩论...

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Penrose认为要解释意识必须用到量子力学.

他的出发点有两条: 1. 意识引起波函数塌缩. 2. 意识有非局域的性质.

"Sir Roger Penrose, recently mentioned parapsychology in a positive way at a prestigious physics and consciousness seminar, but then very quickly added that the only reason he could get away with talking about such things is that he had tenure (Oxford University) and that he had been knighted by the Queen."

Quoted from 外链出处

Penrose对"唯物主义"的态度:

"Well, what I am partly saying is that those words (materialist) are a bit out of date, because the contemporary understanding of material is very different now from the way it used to be. If we consider what matter really is, we now understand it as much more of a mathematical thing. When these catagories 'materialist', 'idealist' etc. were first coined, people thought of matter as a much more defined thing, something which is 'there', and then you combine that with mysterious mind stuff which is floating around, which would be seperate from it. But I think that matter itself is now much more of a mental substance;... So before we have a deeper understanding of what is really going on, to talk about things in these terms is almost certainly limiting and inappropriate."

From the first issue of "The Journal of Consciousness Studies"

对于意识的非局域性与量子力学的联系, 约瑟夫森(超导约瑟夫森结的那个"约瑟夫森", 炸药奖得主, 剑桥大学物理系教授)的这两篇文章讲得很清楚.

"String Theory, Universal Mind, and the Paranormal" ("超弦、宇宙心智、超自然现象")

Brian D. Josephson

外链出处

"Biological Utilisation of Quantum NonLocality" ("量子非定域性在生物学上的应用")

Brian D. Josephson and Fotini Pallikari-Viras

外链出处

更多物理学家对于这个问题的看法:

"Physicists probe the paranormal"("物理学家探察超自然现象")

外链出处

"Most readers of Physics World will probably dismiss paranormal phenomena as either utter nonsense or not worthy of serious study, but over the years the subject has attracted the interest of a number of eminent physicists..."

关键词(Tags): #物理学家，#超自然，#意识，

复汤里若掉进一百颗老鼠屎,乞丐不会要,但科学家会要.

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科技发明和科学理论不是一回事

通电可以让一些物质发光，这是爱迪生发明电灯之前被普遍接收的事实（没有看历史，算是我的猜想，如果不对请指正），爱迪生试了很多种材料和方法，做成了可靠耐用的电灯，并没有用这个证明什么科学理论。

而且我说的老鼠屎是类比某一个研究领域产生的骗子，和爱迪生的例子也没有可比性。这个汤也不是谁喝谁不喝的问题，只要开始熬了，就是投资者的成本投进去了，喝就是研究成果的受益。现在中国的科研大部分是国家投资，全民受益，不是科学家说“我来喝”那么简单的。如果是私人投资，投资者就对这个感兴趣，被骗了也无所谓，那相比较国家投资还可以让大家接收一点，虽然浪费的也是全社会的资源。

而且，一个冒险，容易失败的投资，和一个容易被骗的投资，还是有区别的。不如大家来讨论为什么在人体科学领域会有比其他领域多的骗子（个人感觉），还有怎么预防吧。

复怎么就愤怒了呢？

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不愤怒就好，不愤怒就好～身体最重要～

不愤怒就好，不愤怒就好～身体最重要～

复我批你自相矛盾,不是吗?

家园

没招了？

依然不服就请说清楚您觉得哪里不对。

看来您是说不出来。

批错了就应该承认，您决心死撑的话就继续吧。

复那莫现在这个小组咋样了亚？

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很想知道这个小组现在还存不存在？

复没招了？

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呵呵,有人声称"我到此为止".说不出新内容,还继续"死撑"

复我们这儿的辩论太不专业了,请看两帮科学家的辩论...

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原来不是几十年，是百多年了呀

把整段引完......

Most readers of Physics World will probably dismiss paranormal phenomena as either utter nonsense or not worthy of serious study, but over the years the subject has attracted the interest of a number of eminent physicists. Lord Rayleigh, J J Thomson and Oliver Lodge, for example, were all early members of the Society for Psychical Research, which was founded in 1882 by fellows of Trinity College to study "those faculties of Man, real or supposed, which appear to be inexplicable on any generally recognized hypothesis".

哪个革命性的理论一开始就被主流接受的?

一堆炸药奖得主+更多的知名教授+铁证如山+至少几十年的发现=仍然不被学术界主流承认？太扯了吧？持不同意见的科学家就算有成见，但可以不讲理的吗？

还是说，人家根本没做到铁证如山无可置疑的地步，倒是李校长等人做到了？嘿。

同一篇文章：

Many of the delegates at the conference, including Barlow, are highly sceptical of the existence of paranormal phenomena. Claims of ghosts, alien abductions and spoon-bending are often based on dubious evidence, while attempts by parapsychologists to reproduce paranormal phenomena under controlled laboratory conditions are fraught with difficulty. Positive results are not unusual, but are rarely repeatable. Moreover, many seemingly weird phenomena have subsequently been explained by conventional science.

看来李校长等人真要拿炸药奖了呀---如果他们没有自我吹嘘的话。

复呵呵,有人声称"我到此为止".说不出新内容,还继续"死撑"

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笑倒

又来了，莫非您已经断章取义成瘾了？

现在又领教了您的转移话题胡搞蛮缠大法。

复原来不是几十年，是百多年了呀

家园

我也来引用一下你的话，记住，都是你的原话！！！

看来李校长等人真要拿炸药奖了***---**他们没有自我吹嘘的*。

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大哥，有时候适当的省略是必要的。