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家园 这和我们一个样啊,四不放过!

这种分析会一般要达到四个目的:明确原因、定性定责、教育并惩罚相关责任人,制订整改措施。

事故原因不明确不放过!

事故责任不明确不放过!

责任人不受教育不放过!

整改措施不落实不放过!

家园 跨越一倒,院里一铁路职工立马加月薪1千。据说

这次又快了,哦。

家园 早就料到了啊,老大!

从高铁仅仅正式运行两天就“故障”放到电视上大播特播,我就知道那个谁终于下手了!直到723,我当时就哭了啊!我虽然不是铁路上的人,但还是为高铁感到伤心和冤屈……

老兄自己保重,你还有家有口有工作,别为了这点事耽误了自己。把你的分析和怀疑都整理好,等到高铁下线、铁道部被阴掉的那天放出来就行了!

家园 二十多年来,某集团

一直是卖国有方,建设无门!可你愤怒归愤怒,又能怎么样!

家园 咳,没投草就不错了,反而还给了个宝……

我说你是真糊涂还是装傻?!不管高铁还是大客机,国货始终是某利益集团共同的阻力!

高铁高速、国飞上天,这是某具有深厚卖国传统的买办集团几十年来最惧怕的事情!所以他们要不惜一切代价掐死,而这两者之间并不存在矛盾!

家园 不至于吧

一介小老百姓,知道的东西不多。我们怀着一个美好的愿望,希望是暂时的示弱,让敌人跳的高些。。。。。。想想,自己好不容易亮出的一个利器,这么轻而易举就藏起来。

家园 资料:调查“挑战者号”失事的“总统委员会”成员

查到一个调查86年“挑战者号”失事的“总统委员会”的名单。摘自:

STS 51-L Mission Overview and Preface to Presidential Commission Report on the Challenger Accident

委员会成员:

1.William P. Rogers, Chairman

主席,尼克松的国务卿,艾森豪威尔的大法官,现在(86年时,以下的“现在”都是86年)某律师楼的合伙人和执业律师。获得1973年自由奖章。1937年获康奈尔学位,42年到46年在海军服务。

(感到奇怪啊,主席竟然是个律师)

Former Secretary of State under President Nixon (1969-1973), and Attorney General under President Eisenhower (1957-1961), currently a practicing attorney and senior partner in the law firm of Rogers & Wells. Born in Norfolk, New York, he was awarded the Medal of Freedom in 1973. He holds a J.D. from Cornell University (1937) and served as LCDR, U.S. Navy (1942-1946).

2.Neil A. Armstrong, Vice Chairman

副主席,前宇航员,就是实现阿波罗11号第一次登月飞行的那位,大名鼎鼎,不多写了。

Former astronaut, currently Chairman of the Board of Computing

Technologies for Aviation, Inc. Born in Wapakoneta, Ohio, Mr. Armstrong was spacecraft commander for Apollo 11, July 16-24, 1969,the first manned lunar landing mission. He was Professor of Aeronautical Engineering at the University of Cincinnati from 1971 to 1980 and was appointed to the National Commission on Space in 1985.

3.David C. Acheson

卫星通讯公司的前高级VP和总法律顾问,现在某律师楼的合伙人。原来美国原子能委员会的律师,哈佛毕业,曾服务于海军。

(呵呵,又一个律师)

Former Senior Vice President and General Counsel, Communications Satellite Corporation (1967-1974), currently a partner in the law firm of Drinker Biddle & Reath. Born in Washington, DC, he previously served as an attorney with the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission (1948-1950) and was U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia (1961-1965). He holds an LL.B. from Harvard University (1948) and served as LT, U.S. Navy (1942-1946).

4.Dr. Eugene E. Covert

教育家和工程师,MIT宇航系的教授系主任,国家工程学会会员,美国空军杰出服务奖(1973),NASA的公共服务奖(1980)。MIT科学博士学位。

Educator and engineer. Born in Rapid City, South Dakota, he is currently Professor and Head, Department of Aeronautics and Astronautics, at Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Member of the National Academy of Engineering, he was a recipient of the Exceptional Civilian Service Award, USAF, in 1973 and the NASA Public Service Award in 1980. He holds a Doctorate in Science from Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

5.Dr. Richard P. Feynman

这就是fakeone说的做报告的物理学家了。加州理工的理论物理教授(唐骏不就想沾人一点光吗),1965年诺贝尔物理奖,1954年爱因斯坦奖,还有个什么大奖(1972年,抱歉孤陋寡闻),尼尔斯波尔国际金奖(1973年),普林斯顿的PhD(1942)

Physicist. Born in New York City, he is Professor of Theoretical Physics at California Institute of Technology. Nobel Prize winner in Physics, 1965, he also received the Einstein Award in 1954, the Oersted Medal in 1972 and the Niels Bohr International Gold Medal in 1973. He holds a Doctorate in Physics from Princeton (1942).

6.Robert B. Hotz

编辑出版家,西北大学毕业。航空周刊和空间技术杂志的主编(1953-1980),二战时参加空军获得一堆橡树叶的空军奖章。1982年起是裁军和军控委员会的总顾问。

Editor, publisher. Born in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. He is a graduate of Northwestern University. He was the editor-in-chief of Aviation Week & Space Technology magazine (1953-1980). He served in the Air Force in World War II and was awarded the Air Medal with Oak Leaf Cluster. Since 1982, he has been a member of the General Advisory Committee to the Arms Control and Disarmament Agency.

7.Major General Donald J. Kutyna, USAF

这是现役空军少将,空间系统指令控制通讯主任。毕业于美国军事学院,MIT的科学硕士(1965),超过4000飞行小时的指令长。获得过杰出服务奖章,杰出飞行十字勋章,还有个什么奖以及其他9个空军奖章。

Director of Space Systems and Command, Control, Communications. Born in Chicago, Illinois, and graduate of the U.S. Military Academy, he holds a Master of Science degree from Massachusetts Institute of Technology (1965). A command pilot with over 4,000 flight hours, he is a recipient of the Distinguished Service Medal, Distinguished Flying Cross, Legion of Merit and nine air medals.

8.Dr. Sally K. Ride

美国第一个女宇航员。1983年6月18日STS-7飞行的mission specialist。参加了84年10月5号的41-G飞行。斯坦福的PhD(1978年)。现役宇航员。

Astronaut. Born in Los Angeles, California, she was a mission specialist on STS-7, launched on June 18, 1983, becoming the first American woman in space. She also flew on mission 41-G launched October 5, 1984. She holds a Doctorate in Physics from Stanford University (1978) and is still an active astronaut.

9.Robert W. Rummel

空间专家航天工程师。原Trans World航空公司VP,现在是一个什么公司的总裁。国家工程学会的成员,获得NASA杰出公共服务奖。

(这个没提学位。自学成才?)

Space expert and aerospace engineer. Born in Dakota, Illinois, and former Vice President of Trans World Airlines, he is currently President of Robert W. Rummel Associates, Inc., of Mesa, Arizona. He is a member of the National Academy of Engineering and is holder of the NASA Distinguished Public Service Medal.

10.Joseph F. Sutter

航天工程师。现在波音商用飞机的执行VP。从1945年就在波音工作,三代喷气飞机的主要设计师。84年被选到全国工程学会,85年被里根总统授予国家技术奖。

(这个全国工程学会很牛叉)

Aeronautical engineer. Currently Executive Vice President of the Boeing Commercial Airplane Company. Born in Seattle, he has been with Boeing since 1945 and was a principal figure in the development of three generations of jet aircraft. In 1984, he was elected to the National Academy of Engineering. In 1985, President Reagan conferred on him the U.S. National Medal of Technology.

11.Dr. Arthur B. C. Walker, Jr.

天文学家。斯坦福的应用物理教授,原研究生院副院长。宇航公司、兰德公司和国家科学基金会咨询专家。美国物理学会、美国地理联盟、美国天文学会会员。伊利诺斯大学博士(1962)。

Astronomer. Born in Cleveland, Ohio, he is currently Professor of Applied Physics and was formerly Associate Dean of the Graduate Division at Stanford University. Consultant to Aerospace Corporation, Rand Corporation and the National Science Foundation, he is a member of the American Physical Society, American Geophysical Union, and the American Astronomy Society. He holds a Doctorate in Physics from the University of Illinois (1962).

12.Dr. Albert D. Wheelon

物理学家,休斯飞机公司执行副总裁。总统外国情报咨询委员会成员,1961到1974年是总统科学咨询委员会的咨询专家,MIT的物理博士(1952年)。

Physicist. Born in Moline, Illinois, he is currently Executive Vice President, Hughes Aircraft Company. Also a member of the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, he served as a consultant to the President's Science Advisory Council from 1961 to 1974. He holds a Doctorate in Physics from Massachusetts Institute of Technology (1952).

13.Brigadier General Charles Yeager, USAF (Retired)

空军退役准将,前试飞员。85年被指定为国家空间委员会成员。是第一个突破音障并把飞机开到每小时1600迈(每小时2500公里)的人。

Former experimental test pilot. Born in Myra, West Virginia, he was appointed in 1985 as a member of the National Commission on Space. He was the first person to penetrate the sound barrier and the first to fly at a speed of more than 1,600 miles an hour.

14.Dr. Alton G. Keel, Jr., Executive Director

这就是个打杂的,端茶倒水的凳公的角色。也是个UVA工程物理PhD。

Detailed to the Commission from his position in the Executive Office of the President, Office of Management and Budget, as Associate Director for National Security and International Affairs; formerly Assistant Secretary of the Air Force for Research, Development and Logistics; and Senate Staff. Born in Newport News, Virginia, he holds a Doctorate in Engineering Physics from the University of Virginia (1970).

其他还有一堆助理人员。

这个委员会共14人,与事故直接有关的有:两个宇航员,一个试飞员,一个指令长,以及两个个工程师和一个设计师。其他物理、天文学家有3个,两个律师,一个媒体一个打杂。

家园 出离愤怒了!

铁道部整的是啥幺蛾子?

家人不喜欢坐火车,在我力劝下今天坐了动车,结果出发就晚了20多分钟,现在晚点了一个多小时还没到目的地,耽误了安排好的事情。这个晚点难道也是技术不过关引起的?!

最近铁道部的管理松弛,有员工自己在高铁上吸烟的,也有成群的员工躺在车厢里睡觉的。降速除了把我们赶到飞机上之外,还有啥作用?我不认为降速就可以保证安全。

家园 你掺和这个干嘛

还是好好写你的民间借贷吧,现在河里有三个话题最好别参与,转基因、运十、高铁,完全被政治化了,能离多远就离多远。

最近河里挥斥方遒的太多,个个都好像是刚从北京西山上下来的。

家园 航空工业和高铁工业,民航业和铁路业

并不完全是此消彼长的关系,还有个产业交叉,管理上相互借鉴的关系,不赞成把两者对立起来看

家园 看全面降速的意思,这脏水是泼定了.

如果政府的最高领导层不能实事求是去干事,而以自己的政治利益为重,那么这个国家将来就要出问题了.

看看结果吧。

家园 工程企业里也有类似的货

4月份我坐火车,遇到以高铁900吨架桥机著名的秦皇岛天业通联(http://www.tianyetolian.com/index.asp)公司的几个工作人员,谈了一会儿。这几个人一谈起高铁就故作神秘得说,高铁我们是不敢坐的,里面猫腻太多,云云。你说的铁路普通员工的心理应该是有普遍性的,社会分配规则的扭曲和底层员工的破坏性心理是一个互相加强、互相提供合理性的恶性循环,这种社会心理通过摆事实、讲道理都很难改变,因为它根本就是非理性的。

家园 按忘情的标准除了两个宇航员,工程师设计师都是只懂皮毛的。
家园 支持月色,没有全然归因于“自然灾害”是好,不过,只怕也是

没有办法全然归因于“自然灾害”吧

家园 铁路职工的人心要是散了是最大的危险
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