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家园 有没有揭露NED的英文文章呢

俺把NED连接给同事看,别人说这个东东做honorable things。那个大牛有揭它丑事的英文连接呢,好去教育无知少年

家园 以此为生活来源了,不能说是“非常小”吧?

据我所知,LXB及其夫人的帐号没有查到任何大笔款项,即使是稿费数目也都非常小,不知道拿国外的钱这句话怎么冒出来的。

1、证人刘霞的证言证明:她是刘晓波的妻子,与刘晓波共同居住在北京市海淀区七贤村中国银行宿舍10号楼1单元502号,家中一共有三台电脑,其中一个台式机,两个笔记本电脑。因为她根本不懂电脑,所以她从来不用家中的电脑,平日都是刘晓波在使用电脑。刘晓波使用电脑主要是写文章和上网,家里只有她和刘晓波两个人单独住,没有其他人,平时家里也不怎么来客人,刘晓波有聚会也基本都是到外面去。家里的电脑以什么形式上网她不清楚,是2001年底刘晓波联系安装的。她和刘晓波平日的生活来源就是刘晓波写东西的稿费,刘晓波在银行以她的名字开户,稿费不定期的汇到帐户里,她每月不定期的去银行取钱。

2、中国银行股份有限公司北京市分行和木樨地支行出具的《开户证明》和《银行汇款单据》证明:刘晓波的妻子刘霞的银行帐户接收和支取过境外汇款(外币)。

引自: http://zh.wikisource.org/zh-hans/%E5%88%98%E6%99%93%E6%B3%A2%E4%B8%80%E5%AE%A1%E5%88%A4%E5%86%B3%E4%B9%A6

能够推进祖国民主化进程,为啥要在乎这经费是美国来的还是火星来的?

美国海军在全球最集中的地方是太平洋西边(也就是中国周边),美国海军最大的海外基地在日本横须贺市,美国驻日本军队有海军、空军、陆军和海军陆战队合近三万六千,美国在韩国驻军近两万九千,美国在阿富汗军队近十万。可以说美国海外军事活动如今都围绕在中国周边,而且起国务卿宣称要参与中国南海争端。并且要在中国东海军事演习。还有EP-13间谍飞机常规监视中国沿海,以致飞入海南岛。这样一个大举派兵围着中国的国家,而且频频挑衅,再出钱让人写文章说中国政府应该被推翻(这相当于古时传檄天下的战争檄文,或今天的战争宣言),这大概是伊拉克“民主进程”的先兆吧。如果任其肆意妄为,估计美国大兵踏上中国领土推进“民主进程”的时候中国军队也和伊拉克军队一样不放一枪一弹欢迎美国帮助中国民主吧。伊拉克因为这个民主进程死亡60万人,四百万人离家逃难。记得1931年日本占领东北三省东北老乡逃难到关内吗?记得1937年日本全面入侵是逃难的人吗?伊拉克有多少人口?哦,对,美国两场战争下来其总统还得了诺贝尔和平奖。要是你认为刘晓波是为了中国民主进程的话,干脆让中国放弃国防解散军队可能“民主”来到更快。中国周边都被地球上最大的民主国家的军队“维持和平”了,还要军队干嘛?

家园 NED现在做的基本是中情局以前秘密做的:颠覆它国政权

换了手法而已。

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Endowment_for_Democracy

NED regularly provides funding to opposition candidates in elections in countries other than the USA. According to Allen Weinstein, one of the founders of NED, "A lot of what we [NED] do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA" (Blum, Rogue State: A Guide to the World's Only Superpower, 2000, p. 180).

On its official web site, in the history section, its difference from the covert nature of CIA activities is explained:[10]

In the aftermath of World War II, faced with threats to our democratic allies and without any mechanism to channel political assistance, U.S. policy makers resorted to covert means, secretly sending advisers, equipment, and funds to support newspapers and parties under siege in Europe. When it was revealed in the late 1960's that some American PVO's were receiving covert funding from the CIA to wage the battle of ideas at international forums, the Johnson Administration concluded that such funding should cease, recommending establishment of "a public-private mechanism" to fund overseas activities openly.

“ A lot of what we do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA

—Allen Weinstein, who helped draft the legislation establishing NED, in a 1991 interview with the Washington Post

[edit] Central America

In 1984, NED funded a Panamanian presidential candidate backed by Manuel Noriega and the CIA. Congress afterwards issued a law prohibiting use of NED funds "to finance the campaign of candidates for public office."[citation needed]

John Stauber and Sheldon Rampton wrote that before the 1990 elections in Nicaragua, "President George H. W. Bush sent $9 million in NED, including a $4 million contribution to the campaign of opposition presidential candidate Violeta Chamorro". Chamorro's party won 55 percent of the vote.[citation needed]

In the 1990 elections in Haiti the NED supported Marc Bazin, providing a big fraction of his total $36 million in campaign funds. Despite this funding, he only obtained 12% of the vote. Marc Bazin had earlier been a World Bank official.[citation needed]

Between 1990 and 1992, NED donated a quarter-million dollars to the Cuban-American National Foundation, the anti-Castro group.[citation needed]

NED - together with USAID - financially supported, by disbursing about $50 million annually for "democracy promotion" projects in Honduras, many organisations within the Honduran Civic Democratic Union, a network of organisations which opposed the ousted president Manuel Zelaya and supported the military intervention during the 2009 Honduran constitutional crisis.[11] The International Republican Institute (IRI) received about $1.2 million from NED in 2009 in order to support think tanks and Advocacy groups to "support initiatives to implement political positions during the campaigns in 2009".[11][12]

[edit] China

On Tibet Issue:

"Democratic Imperialism": Tibet, China, and the National Endowment for Democracy by Michael Barker

South Asia Analysis Paper on NED

On Xinjiang Issue:

World Uyghur Congress says themselves to be affiliated with NED.[13]

Eastern Europe

According to the critics[who?], during the 1990s, NED invested millions of dollars in Eastern Europe to support free trade and the shock therapy program.[citation needed] The NED itself does not fund economic reform programs; NED core grantee Center for International Private Enterprise indeed supports programs aimed at development of private enterprise but this does not account for monetary stabilization programs.[citation needed]

US foreign policy critic William Blum has alleged that the NED engaged in activities intended to liberate through regime change anti-American regimes in the region, including campaigns in Bulgaria and Albania.[20]

[edit] Ukraine, Georgia, Serbia, Slovakia

This section does not cite any references or sources.

Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed. (February 2010)

The NED played a significant role in the 2004 presidential election in Ukraine. In an article in the Washington Post, NED director Nadia Diuk acknowledged that there was a controversy surrounding the involvement of the NED: "Some have sought to portray the events in Ukraine as orchestrated in the West, a model executed with the support of Western pro-democracy foundations.' Comparing this to similar recent interventions in Slovakia, Serbia and Montenegro and Georgia, she writes, "Some commentators believe that the similarity of their actions proves they are part of a U.S.-sponsored plot, an effort to extend American influence throughout the world." Diuk states that critics are overlooking a genuinely "home-grown" aspect to the "election revolts" in these Eastern European regimes. She also stated that, "...there was a massive effort by nongovernmental organizations to monitor the vote, whether through parallel vote tabulations, exit polls or reports from domestic observers. These strategies were supported by the reports of Western election observers," and that "all these breakthrough elections have been accomplished with the vigorous participation of civic groups that support free and fair elections by monitoring the media, carrying out voter education, publicizing the platforms of candidates in the absence of a free press, training election observers, conducting polls and so on."[21]

[edit] Others

Fund the Chinese democracy movement.[citation needed]

Funds the National Iranian American Council (NIAC), created in 2000.[22]

Funds the website of Prague Watchdog, a political and humanitarian new source in Chechnya, Ingushetia and other North Caucasus republics. Funding totalled $49,830.[23]

Funds Free North Korea Radio, a pirate radio station broadcasting from Seoul to North Koreans.[24]

藏独疆独都得到NED资助。链接内有许多相关链接。

家园 拿谁的钱搞民主确实不是最重要的

但搞的是谁的民主就非常重要了

家园 是梁啊?靠,这解放军也靠不住了。
家园 残过啊,人家本来恨的就是资金有限,卖G无门
家园 咱也有小笔进项。谢。

恭喜:你意外获得 4 铢钱。

家园 拿谁的钱搞民主当然是最重要的

因为这个牵扯到为谁服务的问题。不管哪一个国家采取什么形式的政治结构,首先都是为了自己国民服务为首要目的。。。不拿外国钱,是起码的避嫌要求。

家园 我觉得

这个秘书,是欧美传教士发展的,喜欢把宗教和政治经济挂钩,挂钩的唯一目的就是恶意评述中国现状。这正是我反对的,宗教关心的是人的心灵啊。

家园 级别低,不能通宝,

送花。

家园 刘亚洲已经是上将了。
家园 那你给个标准

我从他的文章里总结出,卖国者的行为:

拿外国钱,举着高尚的旗帜,给当朝政府捣乱。

这一点套在刘某某、GMD、TG身上没有什么不同的。

当然从这个标准出发,贵州学生就不在范围内了。

另外,我的假设是刘某某、GMD、TG的起步阶段,这是因为刘某某还没有当权呀,所以只是比较他们起步阶段的状况。你要是扯TG当政以后的事情,我也可以说刘某某当政后,也能成为真正的民族主义者。

来,你给个刘某某和20年代的GMD和TG之间的区别吧。

家园 要道理,不过人家也是普世价值呀

一一给你回应:

1、共产国际的宗旨是为了全世界劳动人民解放的。听过许多美国总统竞选,没有一个是为了国际劳动者而争得选票的。奥巴马竞选辩论主要是伊拉克撤兵(伊拉克民主成功了,美国在伊拉克建设了繁荣富强的民主社会了?)、医保、美国经济(总统上台是为了解决美国就业问题,不是为了解决中国就业问题,所以才有了“只许州官放火,不许百姓点灯”汇率操纵叫嚣)。美国总统竞选辩论医保系统非常详尽,但对于中国民主从来不须辩论,两党一致指责,从来没有辩论过中国如何才能实现民主,只要是反华,两党一致谴责中国就行了。人民币汇率的辩论,也是辩论是否对美国人民有利,没有辩论是否对中国人民有利。有为中国人民利益说话而竞选上美国总统的吗?

有道理,说得太对了,当时张学良想收回中东路,和苏联打了一仗,结果共运人站到到苏联那边,号称要保卫苏联。

2、北洋政府不拿外国钱,而是把中国财富給列强。一战胜利后中国是战胜国,德国的青岛利益却给了日本,知道为什么有五四运动吗?知道21条吗?帮列强到欧洲打仗,然后把中国利益給列强,什么叫被人卖了还帮着数钱?

北洋政府当然是拿外国钱,段祺瑞和日本人搞了一个比21条还21条的东西,以换取日本人的贷款。“不拿外国钱”,不要把北洋政府说得那么高尚好不好?

3、孙中山联俄联共,邀请共产国际顾问协助建黄埔军校。蒋介石是美式装备,武装到牙齿。都没成功。共产党在共产国际影响下,在共产国际顾问李德和二十八个半布尔什维克领导下,也失败了。遵义会议清算共产国际影响后中国才走上正道。毛泽东只出过一次国,到莫斯科,去了就和苏联决裂了,苏联要旅顺港做军事基地,毛泽东不答应。蒋介石到台湾,台湾至今还是美国不沉的航空母舰。

"泽东只出过一次国,到莫斯科,去了就和苏联决裂了,",好像不是这样的吧,我咋听说毛去了以后,签了一个什么友好条约。

家园 多谢

问题是很多老外觉得藏独疆独没什么,觉得还是好事。反而觉得tg是独裁,干吗不让别人独立....

家园 拜托

你们要给殖民刘洗地之前,先把河里其他殖民刘的言论都洗干净了再来证明他确实为民请命可以吗??没洗干净之前凭什么拿他和TG GMD比???一个为新疆西藏恐怖分子站台的SB,你们洗的干净吗?!

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