主题：【整理】黎阳：为肖传国说句公道话（一个海归的杯具） -- 迷途笨狼

这里有份名单：

敢情你判断抄袭靠的是感觉啊.

科学判断方是否抄袭的方法居然是

用翻译过的方的文章能判断出方是否使用了别人的语言？

古话说，医者，父母心。肖这样的作为，实在是衣冠禽兽。

现在舆论的焦点还只放在雇凶伤人案上，其实更大的黑洞应是肖做过的那么多手术的后面。可惜不象刑事案件这样一目了然，按当今医学界的现状，估计永远也难大白于天下，还患者一个公道了。

方不是神仙，也不是圣人，也会有各种缺点和错误。但他众多打假成功的案例也是明白确凿的。其实这些事本轮不到他来做，我们不禁要问，那些应该承担甄别这些骗子的有关机构，他们到底在做什么，应该承担什么样的渎职责任？

那这么说，美国就不能扣押拥有中国国籍的间谍了，最多就是驱逐出境啰

方舟子难道认为外交人员的豁免权可以推广到所有的军政人员？

肖某犯罪自有法律惩罚

但这不是为方某辩护的理由

后者抄袭一事，肖某揭发是好事

就像唐骏造假，不管方某出于什么目的，打假都是好事

肖某作了几千例手术，好像被抓前一段还在美洲指导

要是造假危害就大了

到底如何呢？

其实已了解危害最大的就是福建老军医们，希望方某别放过

这更容易深挖根源

哪怕为了黑tg

为什么总要方做这做那？

乌有的那几位也是教授，比如张宏良就在中央民族大学，那维吾尔在线的创始人就在中央民大，张宏良有没有揭发？孔庆东在北大，张维迎等等，他批判没有？

乌有打假少吗，自己看看最近几页标题去

乌有之乡又不是严密的组织，里面政治观点是多样化的，只不过偏左言论在那里才自由些罢了

方某自己不干净，指出来还不行？

比如肖这个反射弧手术，到底效果如何，现在媒体还是模棱两可，没有个权威的意见。

依我看，有三种可能。

一是确有疗效。二是肖也拿不准疗效如何，先拿患者当小白鼠。三是肖自己也知道没效果，为了出名硬撑着给患者做。

这中间的尺度和细节的掌握，非资深的外科医生不可。

假学术同仁送上门了，方肘子快去打压

要是肖某的反射弧是假的，这些专业支持者无疑也不是真专家

这些家伙不顺带打倒，光盯着肖某，除了怀疑以为过去抄袭被举报因此报复，想不出更好的理由

31位国际学术同仁声援肖传国医生的公开信 [ ★果酱 ] 于:2010-09-30 18:23:58 主题帖

我先请教各位河友：

方舟子质疑肖传国的学术成果是属于学术打假还是学术争论？

学术打假和学术争论有什么区别？

是不是质疑某人的某项学术成果，就可以认为自己在学术打假？

此处下载原文PDF文档 [sci.rutgers.edu]

Open letter in support of Chuan-Guo Xiao, M.D. from the

International Academic Community

September 29, 2010

To all,

We have all had the pleasure of knowing Dr. Chuan-Guo Xiao for many years. He is an

internationally respected surgeon-scientist who has made major advances in the

development of neuroregeneration to restore voiding and bowel function. Dr. Xiao

performed groundbreaking animal research in the United States, demonstrating that a

motor nerve that innervates the leg can be used to reinnervate the bladder and

bowel. This reinnervation allows for development of a reflex to initiate bladder

function. The results of his studies were published in peer-reviewed journals and

other scientists have replicated Xiao’s findings confirming these results.

Dr. Xiao eventually took the courageous step of moving from animal research to

human studies and began performing the rerouting procedure on patients with spinal

cord injury and spina bifida in China. Neurogenic bladder is life threatening in China

due to a lack of both antimuscarinics and intermittent catheterization, and lessening

the complications of neurogenic bladder would be considered a lifesaving success.

Patients with neurogenic bladder and bowel suffer greatly and endure a host of issues

such as urinary retention, incontinence, recurrent infections, renal insufficiency,

fecal incontinence, constipation, and poor quality of life. For a procedure as

complicated as nerve rerouting requiring nerve regeneration, one cannot expect

normalization of bladder and bowel function to be the definition of success. What is

important is that the benefits outweigh the risks of the procedure.

Dr. Xiao published his clinical results in peer-reviewed journals and was twice

honored by the Jack Lapides Essay Contest, one of the most respected international

awards given to scientists who make major contributions to the field of neurourology.

In 2008, he was named the Kelm Hjalmas Memorial Lecturer from the International

Children’s Continence Society for his scientific achievements. Many of us have

traveled to China to examine patients treated by Dr. Xiao and/or have been trained

by him in the nerve rerouting surgery he invented. Dr. Xiao is a very skilled surgeon

who is passionate about patient care and works tirelessly to train physicians around

the world in performing his nerve rerouting procedure.

In the United States, an independent and very rigorous pilot research trial was

performed to test the safety and efficacy of this procedure. The one-year results

were recently published in the Journal of Urology. At the 12-month follow-up visit, a

cutaneous to bladder reflex was found in 7 of 9 spina bifida patients, confirming that

rerouting does occur. This finding by itself is remarkable and Dr. Xiao should be

commended. In addition, a number of patients demonstrated improvement in bladder

and bowel function, which has continued to improve with longer patient follow-up.

The 36-month results are currently being analyzed and will be reported in the near

future. The pilot data was supportive of Dr. Xiao’s procedure, and now an NIH

sponsored clinical trial is being conducted to further study lumbar to sacral nerve

rerouting in spina bifida patients. In addition, similar procedures have been done

worldwide, with Dr. Xiao helping to mentor the surgeons at each site.

The Chinese people and government should be proud of Dr. Xiao for his dedication to

his patients, his scientific achievements, and his willingness to train doctors around

the world how to perform his surgery. The International scientific community was

shocked to hear of Dr. Xiao’s arrest. Those of us who know Dr. Xiao well find it

difficult to believe that he is involved in these attacks.

Dr. Xiao is a compassionate man who is respected worldwide for his integrity and his

innovative scientific contributions to society. We implore the Chinese government

and authorities to treat Dr. Xiao fairly and to protect his human rights as these

charges are investigated. Please strongly consider Dr. Xiao’s scientific and

humanitarian contributions to the world as facts are gathered in this case.

Sincerely,

Kenneth M. Peters, MD

Professor and Chairman of Urology

Beaumont Hospital

Royal Oak, Michigan USA

Jack S. Elder, M.D.

Chief of Urology, Henry Ford Health System

Associate Director, Vattikuti Urology Institute

Department of Urology,

Children's Hospital of Michigan

Detroit, MI USA

Edwin A. Smith M.D.

Assistant Clinical Professor of Urology

Emory University School of Medicine

Atlanta, Georgia USA

Kevin M. Feber, MD, FAAP

Beaumont Children's Hospital

Royal Oak, MI USA

Ananias C. Diokno, M.D., F.A.C.S.

Executive Vice President & CMO

Beaumont Hospital

Royal Oak, Michigan 48073 USA

Juan José de Benito

Urologist

Hospital Nacional de Clínicas

Córdoba, Argentina.

William E. Nantau B.Sc., CNIM

Clinical Manager

Clinical Neurophysiology Department

Beaumont Hospital Royal Oak, MI USA

Evan J Kass MD,FACS,FAAP

Chief, Division of Pediatric Urology

Beaumont Childrens Hospital

Professor of Urology, Oakland University-William

Beaumont School of Medicine

USA

Jacques Corcos MD.

Professor of Urology, McGill University

General Secretary of the International Continence

Society

Jewish General hospital

3755 Cote Ste-Catherine

Montreal, Quebec, Canada H3T 1E2

Jose Gonzalez, M.D.

Department of Urology

Beaumont Hospital

Royal Oak, Michigan USA

Christopher Payne, MD

Associate Professor of Urology

Stanford University Medical School

Stanford, CA 94305-5118 USA

Kenneth I. Glassberg, MD

Director, Division of Pediatric Urology

Morgan Stanley Children's Hospital of New York-

Presbyterian

Professor of Urology, Columbia University

College of Physicians and Surgeons

3959 Broadway, CHN 1118 NY USA

Earl Y. Cheng, MD

Associate Professor of Urology

Children’s Memorial Hospital

Chicago, Illinois USA

Professor of Surgery

Senior Associate Scientist

Director of Urology Research

Divisions of Urology and

Developmental & Stem Cell Biology

The Hospital For Sick Children

Institute of Medical Science

University of Toronto

Henri B. LOTTMANN, MD, FEBU, FEBPS,

FRCS(england) FEBPU

Paediatric urology unit

Hopital Necker-Enfants-Malades

149, rue de Sèvres

75015 Paris, France

Dr. Amrish Vaidya MS. MCh.

Consultant Paediatric Surgeon,

Kokilaben Dhirubhai Ambani Hospital,

4 Bungalows, Andheri W, Mumbai, India

Marc Cendron, MD

Associate Professor in Urology

Harvard Medical School

Children’s Hospital Boston

Boston, MA USA

Stuart B. Bauer, MD

Associate Director, Neurourology

Professor of Urology

Harvard Medical School

Children’s Hospital Boston

Boston, MA USA

Edmond T. Gonzales, Jr., MD

Professor of Urology

Baylor College of Medicine

Houston TX USA

Richard Macchia, MD FACS

SUNY Distinguished Teaching Professor

Cleveland Clinic, Florida

Benjamin Girdler, MD

Urology Center of the Rockies

Fort Collins, Colorado USA

William C. de Groat, Ph.D.

Professor of Pharmacology

University of Pittsburgh

Pittsburgh, PA USA

Michael R. Ruggieri, Sr., Ph.D.

Director of Urologic Research

Temple University School of Medicine

Philadelphia, PA USA

Stanley J Kogan MD

Chief, Pediatric Urology

Children's Hospital at Montefiore

Bronx NY USA

Anthony Caldamone, MD

University Urologic Associates, Inc.

2 Dudley St Ste 185

Providence, RI 02905 USA

Yves Homsy MD, FRCSC, FAAP

Clinical Professor of Urological Surgery and

Pediatrics

University of South Florida

Children's Urology Group

5507 E. Longboat Blvd

Tampa FL 33615 USA

Dr. Enrique Turina

Professor of urology of the National University of

Buenos Aires

Chief of section Urology of Instituto de

Rehabilitación

Government of Buenos Aires, Argentina.

Dr. Angel Ozón

Urologist of the Instituto de Rehabilitación of Buenos

Aires

Dr. Daniel Ekizian

Urologist of Instituto de Rehabilitación.

Professor Dr. med. Karl-Dietrich Sievert

Vice Chair

Prof. of Urology, Director - Uro-oncology,

Neurourology, Incontinence, & Reconstructive

Urology

Department of Urology University of Tuebingen

D72076 Tuebingen, Germany

Holly Gilmer, MD

Chief of Pediatric Neurosurgery

Beaumont Hospital

Royal Oak, Michigan USA

Yegappan Lakshmanan, MD

Chief, Pediatric Urology

Children’s Hospital of Michigan

Detroit, MI USA

国际学术同仁声援肖传国医生的公开信

2010年9月29日

致所有人：

我们都有幸认识肖传国大夫多年。他是一位受国际学术界尊敬的外科医生和科学家，在恢复（脊椎损伤病人的）排尿和排便功能的神经再生研究中，他取得了重大进展。肖传国医生在美国完成了开创性的动物实验研究，阐明支配大腿的运动神经可以用来绕接支配膀胱和排便。这个绕接可以形成一个反射作用（反射弧）来启动来膀胱功能。他研究的成果已经多次发表在同行评议的国际科学期刊上。其他的科学家也已经重复并证实了肖医生的这些研究结果。

肖医生最终鼓起勇气将动物实验研究的成果转化到临床试验上，在中国的脊柱损伤和脊柱裂病人身上开展神经绕接（神经通路重建，即反射弧）手术。在中国，由于缺乏抗痉挛药物antimuscarinics和间歇性导尿术（自插导尿管），神经性膀胱功能障碍成为一种威胁生命的疾病。能缓解神经性膀胱功能障碍的并发症的疗法，就是一种能够拯救生命的成功。神经性膀胱和排大便功能障碍患者的病情是很痛苦的，包括遭受尿潴留、尿失禁、反复感染、肾功能不全、大便失禁、便秘等，生活质量极差。神经通路重建手术是一个非常复杂的手术，需要神经的再生。不应当把手术的成功定义为完全恢复排便排尿功能。这项手术的重点在于收益超过风险。

肖医生的临床研究成果发表在多种学术刊物上，并两次获得Jack Lapides佳作奖，这是奖励在神经泌尿科学界作出重要贡献的科学家的最崇高的国际性大奖之一。2008年，因为他的科学成就，肖医生还获得了国际儿童排尿节制学会颁发的Kelm Hjalmas演讲者（受邀做大会主题发言）荣誉。我们当中的许多人都曾经到中国去检视肖医生治疗过的患者的情况，观摩或者学习他发明的神经通路重建手术。肖医生是一位非常有经验的外科医生，他对患者热情照顾，不知疲倦地培训来自世界各地的医生们，来推广他的神经通路重建手术。

在美国，已经开展过一项独立而且严格的先期试验来检验这项手术的安全性和效益。术后一年的治疗结果最近发表在《泌尿科学杂志》（ Journal of Urology）上。在12个月的随访期间，在9位脊髓裂患者中，有7位患者，观察到皮下至膀胱的神经反射弧的构建成立，证明神经通路重建手术的确起了作用。这个成绩是了不起的，肖医生应该得到嘉奖。并且，一部分患者已经展现出大小便排便功能的改善，并将随时间推移而变得更好。术后36个月的成果正在分析中，不久就会发表。该先期试验的数据是支持“肖氏手术”的，现在受NIH（美国国立卫生研究院）资助的临床试验正在开展，以进一步在脊髓裂患者中研究腰椎至骶神经通路重建。还有，在肖医生的帮助和指导下，类似的临床试验也在世界范围内开展。

中国人民和政府应该为肖医生对病人所作出的贡献、对他的科学成就，和他在世界上培训医生以推广这项手术的诚意而自豪。国际科学界对肖医生被拘捕的消息感到震惊。我们这些了解肖医生的人，都对他涉入此案感到难以置信。

肖医生是一个极富同情心的绅士，他的诚实和对本学科作出的开创性的科学成就广受世界同行的尊敬。我们恳请中国政府和有关权威机构公正对待肖大夫，并在案情调查期间保障他的基本人权。在此事件中，请重视肖大夫对世界所作出的科学和人道主义事业的贡献。

谨致

Kenneth M. Peters, MD

Professor and Chairman of Urology

Beaumont Hospital

Royal Oak, Michigan

（美国Beaumont医院泌尿科主任）

Jack S. Elder, M.D.

Chief of Urology, Henry Ford Health System

Associate Director, Vattikuti Urology Institute

Department of Urology, Children's Hospital of Michigan

Clinical Professor of Urology, Case School of Medicine

(美国密西根儿童医院泌尿科主任)

Edwin A. Smith M.D.

Assistant Clinical Professor of Urology

Emory University School of Medicine

Atlanta, Georgia

（美国艾默里大学医学院临床助理教授）

Kevin M. Feber, MD, FAAP

Board Certified in Pediatric Urology

Comprehensive Urology

William Beaumont Children's Hospital

（美国William Beaumont儿童医院医生）

Ananias C. Diokno, M.D., F.A.C.S.Executive Vice President & CMOBeaumont HospitalRoyal Oak, Michigan 48073 USA

（美国Beaumont医院执行副总裁）

Juan José de Benito

Urologist

Hospital Nacional de Clínicas

Córdoba, Argentina.

（阿根廷国立医院）

William E. Nantau B.Sc., CNIMClinical ManagerClinical Neurophysiology DepartmentBeaumont Hospital Royal Oak

（美国Beaumont医院临床神经生理科临床主管）

Evan J Kass MD,FACS,FAAPChief, Division of Pediatric UrologyBeaumont Childrens HospitalProfessor of Urology, Oakland University-William Beaumont School of Medicine

（美国Beaumont儿童医院泌尿科主任，奥克兰大学医学院教授）

Jacques Corcos MD.Professor of Urology, McGill UniversityGeneral Secretary of the International Continence SocietyJewish General hospital3755 Cote Ste-CatherineMontreal, Quebec, Canada H3T 1E2

（加拿大麦基尔大学泌尿学教授，国际儿童排尿节制学会秘书长）

Jose Gonzalez, M.D.

Department of Urology

Beaumont Hospital

Royal Oak, Michigan

（美国Beaumont医院泌尿科医生）

Christopher Payne, MD

Associate Professor of Urology

Stanford University Medical School

Stanford, CA 94305-5118

（美国斯坦福大学医学院泌尿学副教授）

Kenneth I. Glassberg, MD

Director, Division of Pediatric Urology

Morgan Stanley Children's Hospital of New York-Presbyterian

Professor of Urology, Columbia University

College of Physicians and Surgeons

3959 Broadway, CHN 1118

（美国哥伦比亚大学医学院泌尿学教授，儿童泌尿学分科主任）

Earl Y. Cheng, MD

Associate Professor of Urology

Children’s Memorial Hospital

Chicago, Illinois

（美国芝加哥儿童医院泌尿学副教授）

Darius J. Bagli, MDCM

Professor of Surgery

Senior Associate Scientist

Director of Urology Research

Divisions of Urology and

Developmental & Stem Cell Biology

The Hospital For Sick Children

Institute of Medical Science

University of Toronto

（加拿大多伦多大学外科学教授，泌尿学研究主任）

Henri B. LOTTMANN, MD, FEBU, FEBPS, FRCS(england) FEBPU

Paediatric urology unit

Hopital Necker-Enfants-Malades

149, rue de Sèvres

75015 Paris

France

（法国Necker-Enfants-Malades医院儿童泌尿科医生）

Dr. Amrish Vaidya MS. MCh.Consultant Paediatric Surgeon,Kokilaben Dhirubhai Ambani Hospital,4 Bungalows, Andheri W, Mumbai, India

（印度Kokilaben Dhirubhai Ambani医院医生）

Marc Cendron, MD

Associate Professor in Urology

Harvard Medical School

Children’s Hospital Boston

Boston, MA

（美国哈佛大学医学院泌尿学副教授）

Stuart B. Bauer, MD

Associate Director, Neurourology

Professor of Urology

Harvard Medical School

Children’s Hospital Boston

Boston, MA

（美国哈佛大学医学院泌尿学教授，波士顿儿童医院神经泌尿科副主任）

Edmond T. Gonzales, Jr., MD

Professor of Urology

Baylor College of Medicine

（美国贝勒医学院泌尿学教授）

Richard Macchia, MD FACS

SUNY Distinguished Teaching Professor

Cleveland Clinic, Florida

（美国Cleveland临床中心教授）

Benjamin Girdler, MD

Urology Center of the Rockies

Fort Collins, Colorado

（美国科罗拉多洛基泌尿中心医生）

William C. de Groat, Ph.D.

Professor of Pharmacology

University of Pittsburgh

（美国匹兹堡大学药理学教授）

Michael R. Ruggieri, Sr., Ph.D.

Director of Urologic Research

Temple University School of Medicine

（美国坦普大学医学院泌尿学研究主任）

Stanley J Kogan MDChief, Pediatric UrologyChildren's Hospital at MontefioreBronx NY USA

（美国Montefiore儿童医院儿童泌尿科主任）

Anthony Caldamone, MD

University Urologic Associates, Inc.2 Dudley St Ste 185Providence, RI 02905

（美国布朗大学泌尿学中心医生）

Yves Homsy MD, FRCSC, FAAP Clinical Professor of Urological Surgery and Pediatrics University of South Florida Children's Urology Group 5507 E. Longboat Blvd Tampa FL 33615

（美国南弗罗里达大学临床泌尿学教授）

Dr. Enrique Turina

Professor of urology of the National University of Buenos Aires

Chief of section Urology of Instituto de Rehabilitación

Government of Buenos Aires, Argentina.

（阿根廷国立Buenos Aires大学泌尿学教授）

Dr. Angel Ozón

Urologist of the Instituto de Rehabilitación of Buenos Aires

（阿根廷国立Buenos Aires大学泌尿学医生）

Dr. Daniel Ekizian

Urologist of Instituto de Rehabilitación.

（阿根廷国立Buenos Aires大学泌尿学医生）

Professor Dr. med. Karl-Dietrich Sievert

Vice Chair Prof. of Urology, Director - Uro-oncology, Neurourology, Incontinence, & Reconstructive Urology Department of Urology University of Tuebingen D72076 Tuebingen, Germany

（德国Tuebingen大学泌尿学教授、主任）

Holly Gilmer, MD

Chief of Pediatric Neurosurgery

Beaumont Hospital

Royal Oak, Michigan

（美国Beaumont医院儿童神经外科主任）

Yegappan Lakshmanan, MD

Chief, Pediatric Urology

Children’s Hospital of Michigan

（美国密西根儿童医院儿童泌尿科主任）

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老兄对喷子的期望太高了吧

叫什么名字？在哪个领域工作。

lz说的福建老军医也行。

饭。