主题：印度计划购买英国在建大型航母对抗中国威胁 -- 晨枫
家园 三哥真是一个接一个的杯具啊~ 阿琼还没造出来。买来的潜艇还没武器系统。现在中程弹道导弹还试射失败。你说吧，我们想炒个“印度威胁论”，印度还不给我们机会。
家园 真佩服老印的心态 昨天看新闻，导弹发射了十几个小时后还处于等待确定状态，就觉得这次要说“又”了。真有点担心，这样的可以带核弹头的中程导弹到处乱飞该怎么办？
- 复 真佩服老印的心态
家园 不怕，印度核武器根本没有小型化 看我搜集的东西外链出处
家园 哈，松鼠老大 久仰久仰，你怎么不在西西河里也贴点东西呢？看着我这样的信口开河、胡说八道
，你就忍心不出来纠正视听？
- 复 哈，松鼠老大
家园 晨枫狗大户不要讽刺我啊 我明白的很少，就是搜集了点资料，判断上还经常出错呢
- 复 哈，松鼠老大
家园 看那两个关于日本H-2B和长征3B八月发射失败的贴子 都吵成什么样子，我想他应该是不太愿意再树个靶子让人吐口水了。
他讲的大部分都是事实，只不过措辞强烈了一些，有点让人无法接受，
关于我国航天，到目前为止取得的成绩不用多说，但是和国际差距也是相当明显的。归根到底，技术、钱、政策。经费最近这几年有相当大的缓解，但和美国当年仍没法比（按美国人60年代的比例，我们2008年至少得拿430亿美元来投到航天），技术就更是一个长期性的话题了。
眼光太过于实际是个最大的障碍。以长征5为例，最早计划是2008年首飞，结果发现相当一段时间我们没有什么东西能需要这么大推力的火箭，结果就搁置下来。现在看来至少得等到2014年。
至今仍旧觉得我们在航天上的竞争不紧不慢、甚至是三心二意（比如那个登月时间竟然是定在2030年，相比印度和日本提出的日期），不知道是不是因为苏联的前车之鉴把我们的领导人都吓住了。
家园 针对登月 这么说吧，登月本身没啥价值，就是炫耀下国家实力，涨涨面子。反正一切顺利，印度计划的载人航天飞船上天也要2015年以后，日本基于HTV的日之丸也要2020年，尤其是日本，预算还没下来呢，怕什么呢？就是印度目前GSLV MK3是Viking发动机双发并联，MK4多捆绑固推，新的大推力发动机还没影子呢，载人登月不怕N1那样放烟花么。反正又不会被他们比下去，他们的日期，很多是以讹传讹出来的，真实的时间不可能比中国早。
利用启动登月项目的资金，把深空探测网离子发动机和大推力发动机超重型运载火箭做好了，才是实在的东西。现在启动4000KN液氧煤油发动机和1500KN液氢液氧发动机，能用至少也要10~15年，2030年的时间点其实都有些冒进了。如果不要这些发动机，用长征5改型凑合，2020年登月也没啥问题，可是有必要为那个虚名烧钱么？
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家园 这比喻真的有才啊 就是猥琐了点
家园 比喻的好，但有点 家园 印度那个三哥版全球鹰好像刚摔了 India's Rustom UAV Crashes During First Flight
Bad news. The first technology demonstrator of India's RUSTOM medium altitude long endurance (MALE) unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) programme crashed during its first test flight on Tuesday, November 16, at the Taneja Aerospace airfield near Hosur in Karnataka. Sources present at the test have told LiveFist that the Rustom took off and flew for a bit. One its return path, it crashed into a grove of coconut trees. The RUSTOM-1 was almost completely destroyed in the mishap. The DRDO statement issued today smacks of a muff-up. "The taxing and take-off was exactly as planned. Due to misjudgment of altitude of the flight, the on-board engine was switched off through ground command which made the on-board thrust developed to go to zero. There are a lot of gains from the flight," the DRDO statement says. Whenever anyone says there have been "gains", and even if it's true, you can bet your last buck that it's been a bad accident (see photo on the left The New Indian Express)
It goes on to add, "The flight proved the functioning of a number of systems such as aerodynamics, redundant flight control, engine, redundant data link etc which go a long way towards development of complex UAVs. A lot of planning and care have been taken and notification through relevant authorities were done in order to cater for safety aspects in addition to taking a third party insurance for the flights. It is the first flight of its kind using a 700 kg airframe & sophisticated controls & hence prone to development hazards." The photo to the left shows the late Professor Rustom Behram Damania (after whom the UAV programme is named) demonstrating the Light Canard Research Aircraft (LCRA) to then President KR Narayanan. Prof Damania pioneered the LCRA upon which the Rustom UAV is based, though he is better known for his work on the Hansa light composite trainer.
The crash is an undeniable blow to the Aeronautical Development Establishment (ADE), which was in the midst of pioneering the Rustom, first displayed to the public at Aero India 2009 (see photo at top). Here's hoping the ADE team quickly finds out what went wrong and moves forward. This is a Rs 1,000-crore programme that we cannot afford to have delayed, as it indubitably now will be. Stay tuned for updates.
从报道的红字部分来看，好像软件出问题了，认为到地面了就关机了，结果掉椰子林去了。
家园 张召忠言论摘录 组装的时候俄罗斯就劝说，这个东西我善意提醒你一下，组装飞机和组装坦克不一样，组装坦克没事，顶多掉河沟里面，你组装飞机有可能飞不起来，印度不信，组装完了飞不起来以后可别说人家是张大嘴了，至少对于印度还没说错。
家园 这Rustom简直就是一大风筝 ......
The Rustom will be able to remain aloft for more than 24 hours and have a range of 300 kilometers and a maximum altitude of 35,000 feet.
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留空时间超过24小时，航程才300公里？这就是一大风筝么。
家园 跟全球鹰和翔龙比较一下 
外链图片需谨慎，可能会被源头改