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  • 家园 【讨论转载】在成都老外(?)的报导

    http://www.shanghaiexpat.com/index.php?name=MDForum&file=viewtopic&p=865292#865292

    This has been my first opportunity to get online since the Earthquake hit yesterday. All is fine with my family, but this event has really shaken up my wife, who briefly hid under the table of our condo with my new-born son, then ran out the building, down the street to fetch my older son Nathaniel at the Kindergarten; finally, wisely fleeing by taxi to a suburban area where grandma and grandpa live.

    At the time, I was in Guanghan, at the Civil Aviation University, 40 km north of Chengdu and closer to the epicenter. It was a surreal and terrifying experience. I've been in a tornado and felt the helplessness when pitted against mother nature. But, you can hide from a tornado down in a basement.

    There is really no escaping an Earthquake. I was just about to begin class on the 4th floor when we felt a shockwave rumble the building. We thought maybe a plane crashed or there was an explosion nearby. But then the building heaved. As we hustled down the hallways and down the stairs, the sensation was the same one you get when you take off in an airplane; with that sudden weightlessness and then the dip of the plane. Cement was flying and so was glass. Very fortunately, the building did not crumble down upon us. I can still envision one extremely hard hit and I thought the end was coming. The building rumbled so loud, it seemed to be coming down. In that instant, I spied the window of the 3rd floor staircase and made my plan. Then the rumble slowed. Everyone made it out safely.

    All in all, we were extremely lucky.

    More than 12,000 people, at last count and rising quickly, have died in the villages and towns Northwest of Chengdu. I have seen the destruction and in some cases it is complete destruction. Homes, hotels, hospitals, schools and apartment buildings have crumbled with people in them.

    News is still trickling in and we still haven't seen the worst of it yet. Of this, I am sure because I have been up in those hills in Aba many, many times and I know that the construction up there could not withstand the hit we took in Guanghan; and we were 50km from the epicenter.

    The country is helping as best it can. The Army is up there already and the local businesses in Chengdu have already started supplying aid. The Chinese people really pull together when these things happen. That is something one can see quite evidently.

    Calm has pretty much been restored to Chengdu now and people have for the most part, made their way back to their homes. Some holdouts are still taking shelter where they can outside.

    But now the problem is the rain. If you can picture a mountainside road, barely two lanes across and just enough to squeeze through a couple vehicles either way in the best of times. And then picture half the mountain tumbling down across it and burying it for hundreds of meters and about 15-20 feet high; then you can picture the monumental task facing emergency crews to get to the hard hit areas. You can only fit one excavator at a time on that narrow roadbelt, to start digging through the debris and there are dozens of huge rock-slides like that all the way up the winding road to Wenchuan, Aba from DuJiangYan.

    Airlift is the best way to get in right now. The death toll in Chengdu has climbed from early low reports of 45 people, to now over 1,000. Mianyang; Sichuan's number 2 city has lost over 7,000; Deyang over 2,000. There are reports of an entire village just North of Wenchuan having diappeared. And no one has heard from the Panda base at Wolong yet. There are 130 Pandas out there and more in the wild. Let's hope they faired well.

    I pity the crews out there working in this heavy rain tonight. The human toll; let alone the emotional toll on the aid workers and victims will certainly be staggering.

    Today, I have returned home to my place inside Chengdu's 1st Ring Road. Most shops are open today for business. Even my Suzuki dealership was open today and lucky for that because my radiator was pooched. There is some panic-buying going on of staple goods (especially bottled water) and most of the chain stores and supermarket shelves are becoming bare in the "drinkables" sections. Traffic is snarled outside the 2nd Ring Road as those people who slept in their cars for the past 2 nights are now returning to their homes.

    Whether rumor-mongering or not; the locals believe that throughout history, disease breaks out after a natural disaster of this magnitude. People fear for the safety of the water and for the unidentified strains of bacteria and/or viruses that may spread from such a disaster. I think that is a reasonable reaction and that some basic precautions should be taken by the people in the area.

    An open feeling of grief and sadness is in the air. Normally happy-go-lucky Sichuanese have truly felt the weight of the human toll in the countryside nearby the city. Many Chengdu people send their kids to countryside schools, especially in the hard-hit city of DuJiangYan; a popular weekend getaway town for city dwellers due to its natural beauty and mountain scenery. Indeed it is one of Sichuan's 5 UNESCO World Natural Heritage designated sites; three of which were hit hard by the quake; including the Natural Panda Habitat and the country's number one tourist draw; Jiuzai Valley.

    Many foreigners in Chengdu, as well as from within the rest of China and other countries have offered to assist in the rescue and aid effort. Even with my relatively inside connections in the area; having been involved in aid projects in Mao Xian county, just a few kilometres north of the epicenter; it is not feasible to allow foreign aid workers in on the ground at this time. The security situation, as we all know, must be controlled. China places a heavy emphasis on protecting foreign visitors; and yes, some may feel it is rather restrictive in nature; but that's the way it is. Local officials do not want to be held responsible for the safety of a group of foreigners in their area. For the Chinese, that is a heavy responsibility, believe it or not. Special preparations would have to be made to accommodate any foreign relief effort and because time is of the essence, it is best to let the Chinese get on with the task at hand.

    They have indeed been quick to the scene. Given the terrain and the topography of the area; a faster response is all conjecture and hindsight. When there is an emergency; one huge advantage China has is man-power. And the rescue effort has thrown alot of man-power into the situation. That is why the best way for foreigners and foreign countries to assist is in monetary or hard-goods contributions. Once the area has been stabilized, there will be plenty of aid and relief opportunities for foreigners and foreign aid groups. There always has been in those relatively poor regions of Western Sichuan.

    So, let's be patient and not be insulted or take offense. Chinese people do appreciate assistance given by foreigners. Of that, and from my 10 years of experience in this region, I have no doubt.

    Anyone with a plan or requiring advice as to the best way they may contribute once the dust has settled, may feel free to contact me by PM. For now, I suggest donations to the major charities, such as the Red Cross.

    我要重点提一下,他第二个帖子后半部解释为何外援是不合适的:他的主要观点就是中国政府现在要集中精力救人,没有办法再分出精力来照顾“外援”。我看后觉得分析很有道理。

    成都应该也有很多老外吧,希望他们能够以比较客观的态度把事实说出去。

    关键词(Tags): #汶川地震(喜欢)

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    • 家园 这次TG的所作所为真的无可挑剔

      首批日方救援人员抵达成都赶往青川

      外链出处

      这次TG的所作所为真的无可挑剔。反应极其迅速和透明。对于国际援助也是有理有节的迅速处理。没有那么多的官僚作风。甚至允许外国记者深入灾区自由采访报道。对于民间的志愿者也默许和进行了引导。这种灵活务实的作风多少年没见了,真是让人兴奋。

      • 家园 TG政府迈出这一步之后,不会再害怕有人批评政府

        因为,只要政府尽全力做了,人民就会看在眼里,哪怕有疏忽,有错漏,有的只会是人民善意的提醒,还是那句老话,人民的眼睛是雪亮的,你踏踏实实为老百姓,老百姓就全心全意维护你。相信当地震平息之后,TG政府会意识到如何才能做到自己天天骂自己,都会有老百姓忠心耿耿维护你。

      • 家园 看来TG大局在握

        我是瞎操心了。

        希望国外救援队可以发挥功能,共同赈灾!

        相信只要服从中央的调配,这些外援队将能发挥最大功效救人。

        • 家园 同你,希望如此!不过对于喜欢挑剔的人,总是能够鸡蛋中挑出骨头的,

          相信的人,同样相信TG不会让我们失望的。

    • 家园 开始政府说的是暂不接受,但现在情况好了,已经开始接受了
    • 家园 TG已接受日本 台湾 香港的救援队

      这三支救援队都已出发了。现在应该到成都了。

    • 家园 还是沟通的问题

      目前政府一是未必顾的上专门请求外国救援人员帮助--注意力都在前线呢,哪有空理这些?第二,面子也放不下,毕竟是大国,能自己办的尽量自己办了,你看美国911,卡特林那飓风时也没吵着嚷着要外国支援吧?这都正常。外国专业救援人员要主动帮助,我想中国政府也不会拒绝,但问题是他们要先同有关机构联系上,这就是个问题了--跟谁联系?(我就不知道该跟谁联系, 我们捐款还要找半天那。) 现在能联系上么?来回沟通要多长时间,准备要多长时间,飞到北京,飞到成都要多长时间?这一来二去,起码几天就过去了。所以,大家别着急,也别抱怨,现在还要靠我们自己,要靠我们的子弟兵,相信他们。中国人民是最善良,最能吃苦耐劳的人民,解放军是最英勇的军队,我们一定能够战胜灾难!

    • 家园 专业灾难拯救部队也有分等级的。

      专业的灾难拯救队有一套的认证程序,动员技术等有分等级。记得几个月前联合早报就报道了新加坡民防部队的灾难拯救队获得了认证,表示随时可以24小时动员派员到世界任何角落从事最危险的拯救工作,好像世界只有几个国家得到了认可,忘了有哪几个国家了。大意如此。所以不必担心专业队伍的安全,他们自己会注意,只是协调、沟通方面可能会面对问题。他们的经验,技术,器材等却是可以派上用场的。

      一般上,灾难发生国家也只是分派灾难现场的一个部分给外来的一支或几只拯救队伍,让他们协助分担负担,可以的话,协调、沟通方面的问题可以减到最少的。在道路已开通的城市应该可以开放接受外来拯救队伍的帮忙。有专业部队的协助,拯救效果会更好,加快,中国也能学习到国外的经验。

    • 家园 专业搜救人员和旅游者不一样,他们不需要照顾

      诚然,外国游客是不应该让他们去救人的。中国对他们的安全或多或少要付一些责任。但如果是职业搜救人员,他们参与之前对于可能的危险应该是有心理估计的,中国并不需要,也没有可能担保他们的安全。他们不需要照顾,理解危险,他们只需要翻译和适当的指挥。

      而一些被埋在废墟下,但是依然存活的人,他们的生命往往不是简单的工具就可以迅速救活的。头两天,自己人都很难进去,各种车辆,机械也很难进入现场。自然可以组织外国人进入,但现在,到都江堰,德阳这些地方的道路起码通畅了吧。专业搜救人员的工具和经验都是可以借重的地方。至于语言,在成都,重庆,从大学生和导游中征集志愿者,真的有那么的难吗?

      我可以理解,中国的开放是一步一步来的。从76年的不要国际救援,封锁伤亡消息,到现在的接受财物援助,公开伤亡消息。不过我觉得再向前迈一步,未尝不是件好事。我相信一定有很多地方因为道路或者其他条件的影响,不适合接受外国人员的。但我绝不相信,那么大的灾区,真的已经没有外国救援人员可以插手的地方了。

      • 家园 大家不用争了,已允许日方救援人员进入

        新华网快讯:外交部发言人秦刚15日说,中国政府已同意日本政府派遣专业救援人员赴四川地震灾区协助救援行动。

      • 家园 那个地方不能放外国人进去,也是有苦衷的,多少关系中国命根子的

        大三线工程在那里,如果美国落基山大地震,美国也不会允许其他国家救援队进去的,道理同样。而且,再先进的救援队也需要重型机械辅助,现在很多重灾区不是没办法探到被埋的人,而是没办法把他们挖出来,外国救援队也不是神仙,而且万一他们出事了,以中国人的美德,我们还要把救他们放在第一位,这样纯粹添麻烦

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