主题：【原创】说说城管 -- 狼舞
家园 另外，法庭细节我很清楚 闹大发了？没有吧，除了故意误导别人的某人以外，大家看清楚了法庭细节的，包括陪审团，基本还是认为警察无罪的……这个案例属于很典型的，高明的律师诱导、打动了陪审团，帮当事人脱罪的成功典范。最关键的一个细节是：律师在法庭上问一个开枪的警察：开枪后你们做了什么？答：急救、马上送医院；问：你当时心里怎么想的？答：我心里想，上帝啊，求求你（指死者）别死……被询问的警察这时候在法庭上痛哭起来。然后……陪审团被打动了，作出了无罪判决——因为海洋法系的陪审团制度讲究一个“判由心生”，没办法的事情。
如果在中国，同样的案情、法官要这么判，嘿嘿……非得闹翻天不可，最后恐怕还得在舆论压力下改判。在美国，那个案例诱发了有色族裔的骚乱，但是骚乱归骚乱、判决就是判决……
家园 不要故意误导 律师强调的是人家按规则做的，先出警徽然后让show us your hands， 这个是大原则，然后是其他枝节，您不要用枝节掩盖原则……
陪审团没那么傻，大原则出问题，就不是无罪释放的了……
就好比你闯红灯撞人，装可怜顶多少赔点钱，想说你自己没犯错，无罪释放是不可能的
家园 不是抬杠，你的逻辑有大问题 考虑到美国警察的环境——要么不开枪，开枪就得把对方打趴下才住手——可以理解的，毕竟是时刻面对枪战危险的……套用这个逻辑，湖北天门的城管失手把人打死的事情，考虑到他们日常面临的暴力抗法的恶劣执法环境，也是可以理解的……这个逻辑可以给所有不恰当的举动作开脱。
家园 看起来还是广东的差佬幸福啊 别说是直接对人开枪了，国内警察设卡查车、遭遇强行冲卡的案例中，警察对着车开枪的案例、恐怕十起里面难得有一起这几年开枪的案例不知道报道出多少了家园 广州的警察 开枪的比例在全国算比较高的，原因是广州“两抢”犯罪高发，市政法委书记是个敢顶缸的二愣子，公开说“警察要敢于开枪”——即使如此、也是有一大堆前提条件的，绝不是像美国那个案例中的警察那样，出示证件、让被盘查人别动、对方不听还掏衣兜就可以开枪的。如果你认真去查一查，广州警察这两年开枪的案例、大多数是打“两抢”犯罪。珠江医院副教授那个案子，一样闹得沸沸扬扬的——如果放在美国，那个副教授早就要吃枪子了……
家园 警察开枪合理合法，某人就不要再故意误导了 辩护律师说的很清楚，在危险地区【就是随时可能被枪打，以至于6响左轮火力不够，要换更大火力的】执勤的警察，遇到有危险动作的人，有权开枪……显然陪审团也同意……
最后不过是重复了我早先的结论——在美国，遇到警察盘查，你首先要亮出空的双手，然后说证件在口袋里，请你来翻——这个是当地警察和民众大量鲜血证明的……
中美两国民间持枪状态是完全不同的，警察的反应也完全不同，生搬硬套大可不必……
所以我说该例子不恰当，毕竟本朝城管大人们没有生活在一个几乎人均一枪的地方……
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从法庭辩论看，什么没有明示自己是警察啊，没有明确命令啊，统统是某人在故意乱说，真实是：
Members of the jury, the evidence will show that a few hours earlier, while on that same patrol but before the tragic event, prior to arriving in the vicinity of 1147 Wheeler Sean and his fellow officers stopped the person who they believed was a suspect in a homicide. They required him to identify himself, which he did. It turned out they had the wrong person. They apologized to him and they walked away.
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The officers identified themselves with their shields out, as they are trained to do and as they do in every situation. Mr. Diallo doesn't listen to their clear orders to stop, which they are trained to give. He runs back into the vestibule. More orders to stop and to show his hands. "Show us your hands," something the officers are trained to do for their own protection.
Again, Mr. Diallo does not comply. The officers pursue him with weapons drawn, as they are trained to do. He turns his back to them and runs for the inner door and tries to enter the building. He reaches into his Docket. He turns quickly towards the officers and he extends his hand forward with a black object.
Members of the jury, we believe that the evidence will show that had Mr. Diallo stopped to answer the officer's questions, like the fellow that they had an encounter with about an hour before, the whole thing would have ended peaceably moments later and we wouldn't be here.
Now, ladies and gentlemen, we are going to prove to you what was going through Sean Carroll's mind as he sees this reaction from Mr. Diallo and as he sees the series of events unfold and the black object coming out of Mr. Diallo's pocket toward him. His training is going through his mind. His experience is going through his mind. He is full of fear. And we will prove to you, ladies and gentlemen, exactly what was going on in his mind, because he verbalized it. When the black object came out of Mr. Diallo's pocket in that dimly lit vestibule, he yelled, "Gun!"
