主题:【原创】 许世友在1979 -- 南云北望
大家笑纳.
China’s 1979 War with Vietnam:
A Reassessment*
Xiaoming Zhang
这位老兄写了论文来总结那仗,说法比较中肯, 大家可以搜来看一看吧。以下是一些节选。格式不好,多包含. 最大的失误就是敌人人数估计(敌人全民结兵)和大部队穿插吧-现代战争这点很难做到(小股敌人火力足可以打散传插大部队). 伤亡数据也有几个说法(有的比较惊人)。大家就都看看。做到兼听则明吧。
The rst focused on a traditional PLA maxim that any correct military decision and strategy must draw on a good grasp of the situation in all its aspects. The 1979 war showed that the PLA paid scant attention to the combat doctrine and tactics of the PAVN before the war. As a result,
the Chinese military underestimated the ghting ability of its opponents. Possible from fear of giving too much credit to the Vietnamese military, the PLA literature concludes that the enemy’s regular forces lacked persistency in offence and defence and had few co-ordinated operations,
but did concede that the Vietnamese guerrilla-type tactics, sappers and 87. Luo Yuansheng, Wang Shangrong, p. 382. 870 The China Quarterly militias were surprisingly successful in keeping the Chinese forces off balance as they were anxiously seeking decisive battles with the main forces of the PAVN in a lighting war.88 A US ofcer once summarized the American experience in the Vietnam War, noting that it was impossible “to penetrate, ank, or envelop” the Vietnamese fortied positions “without taking extremely heavy casualties.”89 The PLA’s tactics of pushing its infantrymen into close massed combat with their opponents and its acceptance of high human losses may help explain why the Chinese made these assertions about the Vietnamese army’s incom-petence at defending its positions.90 Unexpected difculties in the operation led the Chinese to draw a second lesson from the conict involving intelligence and planning.
Long-standing lack of information about a traditional ally presented a
major challenge to Chinese war planning and operations. The PLA’s
assessment of the geography and terrain of northern Vietnam often relied
on outdated maps and geographic information, while its reconnaissance
capability was limited in the battleeld.91 One major failure of the
Chinese military was failing to consider the huge quantity of the militia
forces in its calculation of Vietnamese military strength. The PLA
experience showed that the Vietnamese militia put up more relentless
resistance and made more surprise raids on the invading forces than the
PAVN regulars. The PLA planners initially thought they had assembled
an overwhelming force of 8 1 against the Vietnamese forces. There were
40,000 to 50,000 militias in the Cao Bang area alone, which signicantly
altered the force ratio to 2 1. During the campaign, the PLA never
appeared able to maintain the force superiority to deliver a knock-out
strike. The operation also demonstrates how difcult it is to carry out
military operations in a foreign country if the local populace is mobilized
to resist.92
The conict with Vietnam enabled the PLA to draw a third lesson
about its warghting capabilities. It was the rst time that the PLA
leadership conducted combined arms operations with tanks and artillery
in support of infantry attacks, while assembling a air and naval forces to
provide cover. Backwardness in doctrine and tactics prevented the Chi-
nese forces from carrying out a real co-ordinated operation. While
Beijing’s political constraints and outdated military thinking proscribed
the commitment of air forces to support operations, ground forces also
demonstrated poor performance between infantry, tank and artillery units
to carry out full combined arms tactics. A clear example was that the
88. Zhou Deli, Personal Recollections, pp. 287–290.
89. Michael Lee Lanning and Dan Cragg, Inside the VC and the NVA: The Real Story
of North Vietnam’s Armed Forces (New York: Ivy Books, 1992), p. 208.
90. Western analysts generally believe that these units of the PAVN, lled up with
veterans of the long war in the south, proved to be battlewise and highly skilled in guerrilla-war
tactics. Recent Vietnamese sources indicate that they were recruits, and only joined the army
in June 1978. See n. 71. 91. The maps the PLA used were 1 100,000 scale, printed in 1965 based on the 1938 French edition, giving little detailed information. As a result, PLA forces often got lost during their march in North Vietnamese hill country.
92. Zhou Deli, Personal Recollections, pp. 294–95.
China’s 1979 War with Vietnam infantry had never trained with adequate knowledge of how to manoeuvre with tank units. Infantry soldiers, who fastened themselves to the top of tanks with ropes to prevent themselves from falling off on the march, were stuck when red upon by the enemy. On the other hand, tank units, which often operated without infantry support and direct communication between the two parties, suffered many unexpected damages and losses.93
The 1979 war experience taught the PLA valuable lessons in combined
arms skills.
The fourth lesson was the issue of command and control that derived
largely from the PLA’s traditions and culture. Personal relationships
between commanding ofcers and troops, which had been cultivated in
the past, still mattered to the PLA. As interpersonal relationships were
more important than institutional ones, it is not surprising that the leaders
of the Guangzhou Military Region later acknowledged that they felt
uncomfortable commanding the troops transferred from the Wuhan and
Chengdu Military Regions during the campaign.94 These leaders also
received many complaints from rank-and-lers about Xu’s leadership
style because he had not previously commanded them. The PLA’s
problems of command were compounded by lack of combat-experienced
ofcers. Despite sending higher-ranking ofcers, who were war veterans,
to lower-level troop units to help with command, PLA operations re-
mained frustrated by the inability of lower-ranking ofcers to make
independent judgements and co-ordinate operations at critical moments.
Nevertheless, the 1979 war with Vietnam baptized a young generation of
army cadres on the battleeld, and today many of them are serving in
high PLA positions.95
The PLA lacked enough of a modern logistic supply system and
structure to support a fast-moving, distant, offensive action. The oper-
ational statistics suggest that the average daily consumption of ammu-
nition and fuel was 700 tons in each category.96 Logistic operations were
a major area for the PLA to draw lessons. Without adequate storage and
transportation facilities, both the Guangzhou and Kunming Military
Regions had to put together a supply system, which never functioned
smoothly and efciently. Considerable quantities of supplies were lost
due either to poor management or to Vietnamese sabotage. As their forces
advanced deeper into Vietnamese territory, logistic ofcers also found it
hard to keep the communication lines open without diverting a large
number of forces to protect them. The PLA concluded that it is essential
to create a transportation command to deal with the problems its troops
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🙂【原创】 许世友在1979 31 南云北望 字13781 2008-12-29 05:37:07
🙂双宝 忘情 字122 2009-02-28 17:32:09
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😥这个读书的确是一件很有意思的事,但仅仅这了反驳人家而读书 蚂蚁不爱搬家 字28 2008-12-29 06:02:42