主题：【原创】温家宝讲述的天下大势 -- 同人于野

Posted 27/02/07 at 10:37 AM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment

Stubborn Ox from Calgary, Canada writes: So many numbers? I don't think I did.. I posted the 50 million killed in the cultural revolution.. other than that I don't believe I even used any..

Posted 27/02/07 at 10:38 AM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment

X. T. from Waterloo, ON, Canada writes: Vickky Angstrom from Calgary:

Where did you get the source again? I do not think China has the capacity to hold 10 million in jails! I see you, like many Canadians and Americans, know absolutely nothing about anything in that part of the world. And I say it again, one of the best ways for these people to start learning geography is waging wars against some remote tinpot countries.

Posted 27/02/07 at 10:40 AM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment

Eric Li from Calgary, Canada writes: This G&M article is written by someone who can read some Chinese characters but has NO ability to understand the meaning of a Chinese article and definitely does NOT understand the Chinese culture. The '100 years' appeared once in '我們必須堅持黨在社會主義初級階段的基本路線１００年不動搖，堅持改革和創新，使中國特色社會主義永葆蓬勃生機'(We must keep the socialist INITIAL STAGE for at least 100 years). 社會主義初級階段(the initial stage of socialist) was first introduced about 30 years ago by then Chinese Communist General Secretary ZHAO Ziyang. The use of “initial stage” paved a path for both the economic reform and the political reform achieved during the last 30 years. It is true that the Chinese leader does not talk very often about “democracy and political reform” . But the China's No. 3 leader’s paper did emphasise that “we should steady conduct the POLITICAL REFORM and socialist DEMOCRACY CONSTRUCTION at THE SAME TIME when we do economic reform” (我們在進行經濟體制改革的同時，穩步推進政治體制改革，社會主義民主法制建設不斷加強，人民的政治生活日趨活躍，人民在政治、經濟、文化、社會等方面的權利得到了較好維護。)

Posted 27/02/07 at 10:40 AM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment

Johnny La Rue from Victoria, BC, Canada writes: And to think people crap on Cuba for being socialist and look the other way when China admits to being the same. If Cuba manufactured western-bound goods (benefitting from workers getting less than a dollar an hour) and have Wal Mart make billions from it they'd be a 'good' socialist, too. Interesting parallel.

Posted 27/02/07 at 10:41 AM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment

Stubborn Ox from Calgary, Canada writes: I realize I shouldn't have posted those deaths as all the 'cultural revolution' but rather deaths attributed to Mao in his quest to set up his ideal marxist state..

People's Republic of China, Mao Zedong's regime (1949-1975): 40 000 000 [make link]

Agence France Press (25 Sept. 1999) citing at length from Courtois, Stephane, Le Livre Noir du Communism:

Rural purges, 1946-49: 2-5M deaths

Urban purges, 1950-57: 1M

Great Leap Forward: 20-43M

Cultural Revolution: 2-7M

Labor Camps: 20M

Tibet: 0.6-1.2M

TOTAL: 44.5 to 72M

I just pulled those off a site I googled.. don't have time for academic searches right now but if you have any Google-Fu I'm sure you'll find the approximate numbers.. Historians believe Mao was responsible for 10's of millions of deaths..

Posted 27/02/07 at 10:43 AM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment

X. T. from Waterloo, ON, Canada writes: Eric Li from Calgary:

Don't waste your time. G&M is heavily biased. Just look at today's another article by Omar El Akkad, about raising money for a terrorist, I mean, Uyghur freedom fighter.

I suspect no reporter with G&M is actually literate in Chinese. They just want to make up some horror stories to feed the public.

Posted 27/02/07 at 10:46 AM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment

Stubborn Ox from Calgary, Canada writes: aw what's wrong.. everytime I stay in a thread and argue the people who seem like they are lying through their teeth just back off and stop posting..

better luck next time guys..

Posted 27/02/07 at 11:06 AM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment

Trillian Rand from Canada writes: Premier Wen Jiabao makes some interesting and valid points. For China to advance, it must create a system that allows all citizens to benefit, not just some. This is not political rhetoric, but stark reality. Almost certainly the Premier is using '100 years' figuratively, not literally, because democracy will rise from the bottom before it is imposed from the top, no matter how benevolent the government's intentions. Already large groups in China are actively encouraging democratic reforms. As the economy expands, this encouragement will become more strident.

For another aspect of the Premier's speech, go to the China Daily website: chinadaily.com.cn.

Posted 27/02/07 at 11:07 AM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment

mr motoc from Canada writes: All you boys and girls who HATE things like . . . rights . . . freedom . . . due process . . . and the rule of law -- all the favorites of sissy-pants left-wing looney types -- it looks like Communist China is THE country for YOU, for at least 100 years!

You must be so happy. Get on the web; book a one-way flight; you owe it to YOURSELVES.

Posted 27/02/07 at 11:12 AM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment

tony leong from Canada writes: well, obviously China has a long way to go with respect to human rights/democracy etc...

anyone that knows anything about the Chinese in general is that stability is very much a state to be desired...so nothing the Government says to that end ought to be surprising...

China is on course, IMO, to gradually loosen the reigns of power, but only under their guidelines and timeframe.

Watching the former USSR dissolve and then implode into the uber-rich and the poor, probably didn't give the Chinese any confidence with regard to a faster timetable a la perestroika

Posted 27/02/07 at 11:26 AM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment

John Silverman from Canada writes: Does this mean the US will attack China? Because we all know that they often attach countries under the premise of trying to bring them democracy. Somehow I think they won't, which just goes to show they don't actually care about that and should stop using that as an excuse.

Posted 27/02/07 at 11:28 AM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment

Ranald Walton from Hamilton, Canada writes: To the Chinese Dictators: Good luck on that one. It will be difficult for the elite to maintain control when a financial crisis hits sometime in the future. Probably China's biggest problem, and it is far bigger than any problem faced by the US, is its lack of political stability. Money does not like political chaos.

Posted 27/02/07 at 11:29 AM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment

david sandford from Canada writes: China seems less like socialism than a bunch of rich thugs milking a country. China's premier is more concerned about his rolls royce...