主题：我个人对宗教信仰是这么看的 -- donkeyking

国人真假分辨能力强不强？怎么得出的结论？

假设争得国人真假分辨能力不强，那么为什么一定要引进天主教这种烧死科学家声名狼藉的东西？

忘了罗马教廷与纳粹希特勒的勾结了？忘记现任教宗曾经参加过纳粹外围组织了？

“总比”的结论怎么得出来的？

无从说起。好东西你可以要，世界上有很多垃圾毒品你也要吗？

没有好处的事情就没有人干了吗？

世界上曾经和正在发生多少愚蠢的事情，如果事后都知道原来没有好处他们当初就不会干了。

前面两条假设没有错，我同意，但是后面的推论就迷糊了。

“总比”二字不是在论证，而是在强加于人。

根据正确的前提推导出迷糊的结论，属于一种抽样误差。

如果我给你这样的前提：非洲某国又穷又乱又信仰基督教教，你的结论会是怎样呢？

实际上当前的社会风气是一个综合的社会问题，牵涉很多方面。把原因单纯归结到信教也牵强了，把也是管窥发达国家的结果。说到底这是一个利益和规则的问题，只有建立了规则，才会有秩序。

最简单的例子，基督徒的离婚率不比非基督徒低，当然你要是举穆斯林我也没办法。

有佛教、道教、伊斯兰教（排名不分先后）……

佛祖、太上老君、安拉都觉得楼主这话有道理，准备大干一场哩。不知道耶和华和基督是打算和这几位联手呢，还是……

您别误会，我还不抽烟，我只是觉得西方社会有些好的经验，中国可以借鉴……嘴上有根东西叼着总比没有强……

您别误会，我还不变态，我只是觉得西方社会有些好的经验，中国可以借鉴……人有点事情沉迷其中总比没有强……

您别误会，我还不滥交，我只是觉得西方社会有些好的经验，中国可以借鉴……这辈子多认识几个异性总比不认识强……

您别误会，我还不学主教猥亵小男孩，我只是觉得西方社会有些好的经验，中国可以借鉴……有这种经历的小男孩多半长大是同性恋或者心里有阴影不敢结婚，帮助解决人口问题总比他们都结婚生孩子强……

所谓罗马政府残酷迫害基督徒的谎言早就被爱德华吉本在《罗马帝国衰亡史》里有力的戳穿了。比如那著名“十大迫害”说，其实是五世纪的教会作家炮制出来的。比如尼禄屠杀基督徒，说来可笑，根据塔西陀记载，当时情况是尼禄为打消罗马大火是人为的流言，抓了些人顶缸。群众则把被抓的统统叫做“基督徒”而已。到底死在真正死在尼禄迫害下基督徒有多少呢。教会自己吹破天也就几百个。事实是这次“迫害”之所以出名，一方面是因为被杀的人中有彼得保罗这两个使徒，另一方面恐怕借了是尼禄这暴君的恶名。塔西陀一语道破天机，与其说尼禄憎恨基督徒，不如说他憎恨整个人类。

还有早期的“殉教者”们也不见得忍耐顺从。如果说死在尼禄这种暴君手下只能算倒霉，二三世纪的大部分殉教的基督徒们其实是染上宗教狂热主动寻死。这些人在书信里说，他们希望赶快被投入竞技场的喂狮子，然后就能赶快跑上天堂占个位子。为了上天堂，他们公然违抗当时法律，捣毁神殿，破坏节日祭祀，抗税拒服兵役等等，这些和忍耐顺从可沾不上边。当时有个罗马总督面对大批基督徒主动寻死的请求大发感慨“这些人那么想死，为什么不在家找根绳子上吊，干吗老来找我们的麻烦！”

当然掌握政权之后你说是原来的统治者变态，就喜欢屠杀基督徒，然后俺们基督徒大义凛然慷慨就死也没错。反正都是你写的，连着宣传二十个世纪，谁不服就烤肉，看还有没有人敢于怀疑。

你要是玩过《全面战争·罗马·野蛮人入侵》就知道，对于一个后期罗马的统治者来说，狂热的基督教信徒有多么可恶。你在前方打仗，和野蛮人陷阵力战，他们在后方造反，断掉你的兵源财源。我对付的办法就是撤掉所有守城部队，让它反，然后再把城攻下来，屠杀掉四分之三的人口，最后建起太阳神的神殿，大力宣扬Paganism。

天主教掌权后渐渐堕落，没有人否认。

但老兄说

基督教在初期，正是靠着“别人打了你的左脸把右脸凑过去”的原则来征服罗马的。

殉教者一个两个、一年两年，都可能会有，但像基督教那样、忍耐了三百年才感动罗马皇帝、和平夺取最后胜利的斗争，历史上还有第二个么？

这样不算打了左脸凑过右脸，还有什么能算得上呢？

老兄说中世纪天主教邪恶统治，那正是缺失信仰的表现。且为掌握政权后经历几百年必然会出现的现象。而新教的出现、也正是对这种偏离信仰的邪恶的纠正，不是么？

对神的信仰，是宗教的基本要素。可你不能把信仰当宗教。

1. 不允许离婚.任何借口都不行.

您总不会人为所有的天主教徒都是圣人吧.万一不幸您嫁/娶了一个垃圾,除了自认倒霉,没别的方法.

2. 禁止避孕,更别提堕胎.

让12亿人放开了可劲的生? 咱先等等,看印度50年后变成啥样在说行不?

教皇是谁指定的?按理说应该是上帝来选吧?结果呢?还不是按照世俗的方法,"民主"选举出来?

谁有资格参与选举教皇?大主教吧.他们又是怎么选出来的?大主教+小主教, 等等... 整个过程上帝在哪里?

既然整个宗教结构都是由世俗的人们通过世俗的方法产生的,那么为什么中国人自己不可以自己选则自己的主教?而非要那个所谓的"教皇"来定?

为什么会没好处?不错,中国如果乱了会搅乱世界秩序,可能引发世界动荡.但如果中国不是象非洲那么乱,而是象前苏联那样,从内部分裂成一盘散沙,各行其政,逐步沦落成西方的原料加工厂,那何乐而不为?

当年列强瓜分中国,不就是这么干的?没好处,他们难道是吃饱了撑的没事做?

外链出处

The church was a happy and harmonious community. The Christians were so friendly that they always intended to offer

help. They could all be Lei Feng, the Communist Saint in China, if they devoted their lives to Communism instead of God.

Despite the pleasing church life, I had difficulty in believing in Christ not because the Bible was too exotic but because of something familiar that made me sceptical. Since I had never participated in any religious activities before, the strange familiarity kept puzzling me until I compared the Holy Spirit to Communism, Satan to capitalism, and the belief and

practice of Christianity to that of Communism. It is not the contents but the structure and patten of the two belief systems

that are similar.

For the Communist, Communism is the source of all the goodness and true in the world and Communist Party is the saviour of human being; for the Christian, God is goodness and true itself and Christ is the Saviour.

If there is a scientific discovery or other achievements in China, it will inevitably be used as a testimony to how powerful

Mao's thought is, how correct CPC's leadership is and how great the People are. Here the People is a holy word in CPC's dictionary that stands for the source of life and history. I can neither deny the achievements that occurred in the Communist country, nor can I deny that people get more food in North America than in Asia, when a Christian says that this is because there are more Christians praying to God in North America.

On the other side, CPC attributes all evils to capitalism as Christians condemn all evils to Satan. If there is a dispute

inside CPC, the right side must be thought as Marxism, and the wrong side must be thought as capitalism; even though most the individual involved are peasants who do not understand Marx' economics at all, and capitalism has never got chance to develop in China. If a new trend in China does not fit into the revolutionary tradition, it will certainly be labelled bourgeois. Wearing jeans was once criticised as a bourgeois living manner, but I find, ironically, the most in jeans are proletarian in the west society.

Mathematically, we can give a void set any properties without risking a logical conflict; much the same way, the Holy

and the Evil, both Communist's and Christian's, lie so behind the real world that they can explain any thing regardless peoples' ordinary experience.

If the Communism in China is a religion, what is the institute that functions as church? Well, China's society comprises multifunctional communities called working units such as factories, schools, armies, stores or farms. The community is

Communist magic: it is an enterprise when producing; it is a government when planning the housing, children's education,

health and welfare for its employees; it is a church when providing spiritual guidance that helps individual spiritually

grow into Communist. The role of the missionary belongs to political tutors, political commissar or the secretary of the

party branch.

Every week, the working unit puts half day for political study, as youth Christians have an evening for Bible study. These

two studies are functionally the same in their belief systems. They are studies for the believer, propaganda for the secular, education or brain wash for the naive. It enhances the faith of the believers by communicating with the Holy Spirit (or heightening Communism awareness), and it teaches the unbelievers how to approach the holy.

This kind of study begins by reading a verse of Bible, or Mao's Quotation, or an editorial of People's Daily, or a document of CPC. Since the verse is a light from the Holy Spirit, the attendants are asked let it guide their daily life. There are many citations from other verses of the Bible or Marxism's classical works to prove the true of the verse. The proof is very convincing for the believer who has faith on the ures, but the secular consider it an absurd logic to prove each other among the meaningless ures. There are then some testimony about the power of the Holy Spirit, examples of ancient Saints or Red Army Martyrs, and believers' recent experience. They all sound much the same. Having the Holy Spirit or remembering the Party and the People, you body will be filled with almighty power that can accomplish great jobs. Keeping steadily the Holy Spirit, your spirit or thought will be purified every day as well your detailed and subtle behaviours will be corrected. Guiding by the Holy Spirit, you can succeed all your life. If the light of Holy Spirit from the studied verse discloses the sins or evils of every day life, the study will be finished by repents or self-criticises.

Having some rituals to perform is usually another character of religion. A Christian told me that they are not idolatrous.

The rituals in the church connect Christians to God as saluting a national flag connects a person to his country: it is an action in the material world symbolizing the feeling of reverence towards the spiritual world. In fact, while daily feeling is easy to put on the face and is easy to tell, to express a feeling towards a Holy Spirit is too different from common experience that man has to symbolize some actions for this purpose. That is why humankind has developed at least as many rituals as many religions.

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