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家园 那就改体制好了,免得你除了贪污犯找不到人

偌大的中国,居然除了贪污犯就找不到人无法解决警察与黑社会勾结的问题,那就是体制问题了。

红歌要廉洁,一边贪污几百万,红歌要加强组织纪律性,自己拉帮结派搞小山头,家臣连杀人都敢,这是哪门子红歌的内容?

打黑就大搞刑讯逼供,发个帖都能判劳教,

这是左派还是右派法西斯?

家园 唉,刑讯逼供的罪名又哪来的啊?王立军的罪名里好像没这条

该体制,怎么改啊,改成什么啊?你说个清楚呗,我刚才不说了嘛,要么你自己具体说说改成什么体制,要么你给个有的例子,让我们看看。

家园 你回复错了

如果说治丽君有伤风化的人是为了自己方便包小三,别人如何想法??

家园 选举了啊。我知道中国是朝毛主席指的方向努力是因为

这是我对中国的观察和判断而做出的结论啊。

家园 说的是方向啊同学。

首先缩小贫富差距,然后慢慢往消除贫富差距的方向进一步发展,直至消除贫富差距,最后才会有共产党消失这种事情。

家园 算了,沟通都成问题,不说了。
家园 你捧美帝出来就好了,河里混美国的人太多了。

美帝究竟是一人一票还是一元一票,去美利坚混过的人心知肚明。

这年头,在中国举着美帝的招牌忽悠的,有两种人,你肯定不是骗子,呵呵。

文革,对你来说真心太有难度了,对于你这号幼齿,我不是毛泽东,没有给你扫盲的义务,继续宣扬你的投票哦,看好你。

家园 新动向:小四借局长名义谈生意,索要8千万美元

外链出处

Businessman: Jill Kelley Asked for $80M, Bragged of Petraeus Connection

By BRIAN ROSS | ABC News – Thu, Nov 15, 2012

A New York businessman who discussed a multi-billion-dollar Korean business deal with Jill Kelley said the Tampa woman at the center of the Petraeus scandal told him Gen. Petraeus had arranged for her to become an honorary consul for South Korea and promote free trade, and then asked him for $80 million to complete the deal.

"Ms. Kelley made it clear to me that General Petraeus put her in this position, and that's why she was able to have access to such senior levels [of the Korean government]," said Adam Victor, president and CEO of TransGas Development Systems, "that they were essentially doing a favor for General Petraeus, and that she had access solely because of her relationship with General Petraeus."

Victor, who met Kelley at the Republican National Convention in Tampa in August, said he was disappointed in Gen. Petraeus for helping Kelley become an honorary consul. "Frankly, I blame Gen. Petraeus for this as a lapse of judgment," he said. "The general should have known better."

Gen. Petraeus resigned as CIA director last Friday after an FBI investigation turned up evidence of an affair between Petraeus and Paula Broadwell, co-author of the Petraeus biography "All In." The investigation began when Kelley, a Tampa socialite, told an FBI agent she knew about "harassing" emails that turned out to originate from Broadwell.

According to Victor, he went to Tampa to promote coal gasification and met a friend of Kelley's who suggested that they meet to discuss a possible international deal. "The person who introduced me to her said that she was well known to be a very close friend of Gen. Petraeus," said Victor.

Victor said that he and Kelley met in "the VIP section" at the convention, where Kelly said that "she was a very good friend of Gen. Petraeus," and that "he arranged for her to get this position of honorary consul for South Korea" to promote free trade. She also allegedly said she had access to senior government officials in Korea.

Victor said he thought it made sense that Petraeus would want to put a trusted aide in charge of promoting free trade. When Kelley named her fee for brokering the deal, however, Victor balked. The coal gasification plants under discussion were worth $4 billion, said Victor -- and Kelley wanted a two percent cut. "That's an $80 million fee," he said. "And I mean that is problematic . . . No broker gets $80 million. I mean that's two whole orders of magnitude higher than what they would get."

Victor said he "terminated the relationship" after Kelley asked for $80 million. He decided that while she was not making an inappropriate request on purpose, it showed she was inexperienced and unqualified for the job. He also began to wonder about Petraeus's judgment.

"It became clear that it did not smell right," he said. "Gen. Petraeus should not have put an inexperienced person in charge of the Free Trade Agreement with such an important ally as South Korea."

"It's a sad day for the country," concluded Victor. "Gen. Petraeus has served this country well."

A spokesperson for Jill Kelley did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Retired Army Col. Steve Boylan, a friend and former spokesperson for ex-CIA Director Petraeus, said it was "nonsense" that Petraeus had any part in Kelley's alleged Korean deal. "He knows nothing about it," insisted Boylan. "What other people do he can't control." Another source told ABC News that Petraeus had asked Kelley to stop throwing his name around.

现在看看局长能否跟小四切割吧。如果真是局长帮小四当上韩国荣誉领事,那他至少也是一个“用人不察”。

家园 黄仁宇的总结不对

他只说了中国的情况,看到了伴随周期率的现象,以为就是原因了。但是欧洲以前的上下层割裂和阶级固化更严重,就没有形成周期率。

家园 团派还不如科举呢

中国是隋文帝开科举,才给草根开辟了和平上升的渠道。

团派只不过比科举的范围更小,如果这就是唯一的阶层流动性手段,那么流动效果必定不如科举。

幸好不是,呵呵。

家园 那公务员考试算不算变相科举?

团派似乎是在科举里又进行了缩小,就如本来取士5000,这5000都从县令做起,都有平等的机会升迁,而团派呢,必须是5000里的团派才有更多机会上升。

原本是5000里的100太子爷上升机会更多,其他4900平等,现在变成5000里的100团派也多了上升机会,其他4800平等,对于非团非太子爷的4800来说,是少了机会,而对于100团派来说,是多了机会。

家园 团派的存在绝了普通人上进的渠道

这个Eymn 讲过了,非常清楚的,为大家认同。我不再重复。

Eymn错在把团派和太子党对立起来。其实能靠团的渠道晋升的都是太子党。Eymn 没有意识到,只有活人才有权力。太子党实际是指的活人的太子。

那些开国元勋的后代,他们的老子活着才有权势;老子死了,他们实际上是要投靠现在活着的某个大佬,才会有权势。并不存在死人的权势。

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我记错人了

家园 公务员考试考出来的大多是吏,不过你举的例子还是说明问题的

公务员考试考出来的大多是吏,不过你举的例子还是说明问题的。

就算从县令开始,如果想要往上升,免不了要拉帮结派。胡上台之前,江掌权的时候,主要是北京帮和上海帮,北京帮式微,上海帮势大而且还和幕后的太子党联手。胡上台之后,(写到这里,突然发现很奇怪,如果上面的分析正确,那么胡温是怎么上台的?必然有北京帮上海帮太子党之外的更大的一股势力保胡温上台啊,这股势力是谁,现在在哪里?)

胡上台之后,打击上海帮,提拔团派,而太子党也从幕后走到了前台,这样就形成了团派和太子党相争的局面。

再回到你举的例子,团派100,太子党100,所以斗了个旗鼓相当,咱们才有今年这场精彩大戏看。但是团派根基浅,太子党根基深,所以最终团派没有斗过太子党。我认为这是胡犯了战略性错误。如果胡不拘泥于团派,而是团结剩下的所有4900,相对太子党的100,那就胜算大大了。

老E这样的人想不明白,为什么在团派和太子党之间,平民百姓甚至剩下的那4800支持太子党比支持团派更多,这一方面当然是不厚的唱红打黑和共同富裕路线受欢迎,另一方面,团派100太子党100对剩下的4800来说,都是一样的啊,而对于百姓来说,太子党至少做事情能力比团派强些。

胡要是能不拘泥于团派,别用汪洋那种笨蛋,而是把跨越等能干事的官员拉入自己派系来抗衡不厚,那么草根派,而不是团派,对太子党这一仗,结果就会完全改写。

家园 欧洲贵族数量少,而且需要上战场

欧洲贵族数量少,而且打仗的时候需要这些贵族去打仗,在战场上消耗了贵族数量。这一方面消耗贵族数量,使贵族没有那么快膨胀;另方面贵族的义务动辄要在战场上送命,普通人也就感觉没那么不公平。不像中国权贵是纯权利,无义务。

家园 所以说黄仁宇总结得不对啊

无与同:因为上下阶层在制度设计上的完全割裂而产生的阶级固化,形成和不断发展的政治和经济权利,利益的不断失衡,形成周期率.黄仁宇已经说得很清楚了.

欧洲上下层在制度设计上是完全割裂的,阶级是绝对固化的。但是欧洲并没有形成周期率。

益者三友:欧洲贵族数量少,而且打仗的时候需要这些贵族去打仗,在战场上消耗了贵族数量。这一方面消耗贵族数量,使贵族没有那么快膨胀;另方面贵族的义务动辄要在战场上送命,普通人也就感觉没那么不公平。不像中国权贵是纯权利,无义务。

你说的这个理由,贵族数量受到消耗(其实就算不消耗,贵族数量也受到限制的),使得贵族总数基本保持稳定,这就是我说的“只有上层和下层的利益比例保持稳定或者逐渐减小,这个社会才会稳定。”

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