主题：【原创】再谈310工程粽子机 -- 大水
新飞豹上数字电传了，机体也有些改进
说豹子是三代机不为过
自用和外销为主，所以对二者的评价不同。我不认为他采用双重标准。随着天朝逐渐上位，武器市场当然会拓宽，比如油霸和拉美某些国家，同时军售不光是钱的问题，政治因素很浓厚。
尹老爷子对粽子机的评价是有一定的广告成份在内
Skunk Works
The Origin Story
In 1943, the U.S. Army’s Air Tactical Service Command (ATSC) met with Lockheed Aircraft Corporation to express its dire need for a jet fighter to counter a rapidly growing German jet threat.
One month later, a young engineer by the name of Clarence "Kelly" L. Johnson and his team of young engineers hand delivered the XP-80 Shooting Star jet fighter proposal to the ATSC. Quickly the go-ahead was given for Lockheed to start development on the United States' first jet fighter effort. It was June of 1943 and this project marked the birth of what would become the Skunk Works with Kelly Johnson at its helm.
The formal contract for the XP-80 did not arrive at Lockheed until October 16, 1943; four months after work had already begun. This would prove to be a common practice within the Skunk Works. Many times a customer would come to the Skunk Works with a request, and on a handshake the project would begin, no contracts in place, no official submittal process.
Kelly Johnson and his team designed and built the XP-80 in only 143 days, seven less than was required.
What allowed Kelly to operate the Skunk Works so effectively and efficiently was his unconventional organizational approach. He broke the rules, challenging the current bureaucratic system that stifled innovation and hindered progress. His philosophy is spelled out in his "14 rules and practices."
How the Skunk Works Got Its Name
It was the wartime year of 1943 when Kelly Johnson brought together a hand-picked team of Lockheed Aircraft Corporation engineers and manufacturing people to rapidly and secretly complete the XP-80 project. Because the war effort was in full swing there was no space available at the Lockheed facility for Johnson’s effort. Consequently, Johnson's organization operated out of a rented circus tent next to a manufacturing plant that produced a strong odor, which permeated the tent.
Each member of Johnson’s team was cautioned that design and production of the new XP-80 must be carried out in strict secrecy. No one was to discuss the project outside the small organization, and team members were even warned to be careful how they answered the phones.
A team engineer named Irv Culver was a fan of Al Capp's newspaper comic strip, "Li'l Abner," in which there was a running joke about a mysterious and malodorous place deep in the forest called the "Skonk Works." There, a strong beverage was brewed from skunks, old shoes and other strange ingredients.
One day, Culver's phone rang and he answered it by saying "Skonk Works, inside man Culver speaking." Fellow employees quickly adopted the name for their mysterious division of Lockheed. "Skonk Works" became "Skunk Works."
The once informal nickname is now the registered trademark of the company: Skunk Works.
The Skunk Works Today
Advanced Development Programs (ADP), also known as Skunk Works, has built a strong foundation of achievement in aerospace by creating breakthrough technologies and landmark aircraft that continually redefine flight.
ADP’s advanced technology solutions for manned and unmanned systems draw on world-class capabilities in conceptual design, systems engineering and integration, complex project management, software development and rapid prototyping. These core ADP capabilities of today tie to the foundation of the Skunk Works where the mantra, “quick, quiet and quality,” guides each and every project from concept to flight.
现在就是希望能从ARJ的取证上积累经验吧，ARJ拿到了适航证以后，大客的路就好走一些。不过巴航苏霍伊和庞巴迪也开始进入150座的市场了。后面几年的故事就比较好玩了。
民航业的取证真的没大家那没简单，而且因为影子审查的缘故，CAAC管的比FAA还要严格。商飞也不容易。
但是沈飞培养了歼5/6/7/8/11/15/16/31，国内哪家主机厂还能摆出来更多的型号？
而且所谓“中国的臭鼬工厂”，并不是沈飞“自称”的。
原来沈飞的“自称”是“中国歼击机的摇篮”。
有些事情还真不能怪商飞,属于决策错误.当然商飞自己,嗯....
领导很忙,群众生活很充实,很好很好,就是不见飞机消息.
2014年首飞,2500架以上订货,那么个给人看的模型段还是老外做的. 中国人吹,老外帮着吹,中国人借着老外说的再吹,老外歇口气继续吹,真尼玛六十年未有之和谐.
我承认:我老了,保守了.
蔡国庆不说也罢，照猫画虎反类犬。
有多少原创的？
人家成飞有10/20/枭龙。南昌有小强，西飞有肥豹。那个不甩你蔡国庆几条街？
还跟臭鼬比？好意思吗？
鹘鹰首飞之前，沈飞只能称为“中国歼击机的摇篮”，因为其他机型5/6/7/8/11/15/16都不算沈飞亲生的，大部分是抱养别人的娃，后爹后妈给做一下整型搞一下打扮，所以不是产房，只是摇篮而已。
鹘鹰首飞之后，“中国歼击机的摇篮”这个落后典型的帽子，终于可以摘掉啦。
空重一样，翼载歼十略高，敏捷性看不出来按布局推测接近，推力阵风略大。不过M88和太行核心机是一样的，没道理法国人抄出来的作业中国人就抄不出来。等法国人交货的时候歼十也交巴铁了，还不见得谁强。
再说印度又打不过来，拿来当幌子发展军备也就算了，真拿三哥当假想敌纯属吃多了。
现在中国最大的假想敌就是美国海军，最大的安全隐患是美国空军，将来最可能发生战争的地方是台海。如果能多采购四代机当然欢迎，那也是拿来投入到对美威慑那里去。只要你有把握把美国海军航空兵拖入等比例消耗，周围还有哪个敢和你叫板？
欧洲这两风加上米格的I.42本质上都是加强版三代机，属于受到美国ATF计划保密蒙骗，战略决策上出现失误，F22出来以后直接过时，之后只好硬着头皮继续搞的产物。性能上比三代机只有量的改善没有质的不同，别说对付F22了，对付F35这种减配版四代（按晨大的说法，四代战轰）都没得打。在估计空军未来假想敌的时候，实在不宜等量齐观。
在某个专业上和商飞的相关人士有过交集，他们的确够水的，但是他们有钱啊，为了过适航证，大把的银子拿给咨询公司，但是自身的技术能力不够，被咨询公司牵着鼻子走，被糊弄得很厉害