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家园 你这里隐含了一个假设

就是你假设了这些个技能都只能在相应的学科学习和训练中获得,可实际上是广阔天地到处都是有实践和训练的地方。我们并不知道中国的领导是不是在社会实践中获得相关方面的能力(极大)提升,所以你对中国领导人的结论是站不住脚的。

家园 还是要承认,人性本恶

制度要根据这个来设计,防范恶,弘扬善。

现在恢复国营饭店,估计没人同意,但为何一定要坚持某些国营企业?因为不是纯服务型的,短时间可以凭某个人觉悟和人品在任期搞好,比如说流程式的鞍钢。一个有能力的奉献者可以短期搞好一个国企,但长期看,一定败的,要么败于无能,要么败于贪污,没有其他。

家园 你觉得中石油中移动会败吗?
家园 agree, smart comment

I do admit that China has its unique way to draw and promote talents. Actually, some western nations also have different channels to get talents.

For example, in France, elites in both the commercial and business world are from certain "Ecole". Their elite community is not controlled by around 100 families as in States. It is also interesting that many business leaders are graduates from ENA.

BTW, it is not bad to have engineers as top leaders. 但是此类人在演说/辩论能力上是不如律师出身的人,立法经验上更是会欠缺些。

当然有人会说中国的领导人也很能发言,我的意思是指能发表鼓动性的演讲,能说服摇摆的人,能面对敌意的质问浴 诘难。Just watch BBC broadcast of the UK parliamentary debate, then you understand what I mean.

the early generation of CCP leaders were excellent excellent speech-makers, but not those recent generation. I guess that's because the first generation need to persuade the majority and compete against all kinds of competing forces, with KMT just one of them. Of course, it is not bad to have engineers: they tend to be more prudent and detail-oriented.

sorry, I copy and paste Chinese from google search. Hopefully, I get the point to you.

家园 because you live in Canada

and are open-minded to the outside world.

How many people on this forum have North American experience--I mean at least one-year stay in State or Canada?

I also saw some Ph.D. students in bioscience who stayed in States for more than 5 years, but never interacted with non-Asians in their life. So sometimes even long-enough stay also does not translate into cultural exposure.

家园 Well, actually

I read much more books than people. Guess I need to interact with more living human-beings, anyway.

家园 肯定会完蛋的

套用老毛的理论,粒子是无限可分的!

如果足够长的时间,中石油肯定会完蛋,何况全球石油储量本来就只够用数十年了。

但不要陷入虚无主义。

中石油不过是水池比较大而已,但控制人的瓢也蛮大,胡乱掏几瓢也是可能伤筋动骨的!

根据公开披露的消息,投资外国铁路的国企,40个亿亏损像熟透的鸭子,也不是飞了吗?

政府还是要好好做裁判的!

家园 That is a very professional

comments on accounting.

家园 一起下地狱也不错

哈哈哈,不能一起上天堂,一起下地狱也不错。世界如果不进入马克思意义上的社会主义,让资本主义乱搞下去,地球迟早完蛋,或者应该说地球提早很多完蛋。

I'll give you a free ride there.

And not just you, in fact, anyone.

It gives me the utmost pleasure to present anyone willing with a one-way ticket to hell.

说笑说笑,别介意。

家园 冬天室里太热

还有还有,冬天室里太热,不但要穿T-shirt,还必需经常开开窗,让外面的冷空气进来,哈哈哈。

家园 为了看他的文章,还专门注册了人人账号

http://blog.renren.com/blog/247533971/friends?from=friendEnd

家园 恐怕不是事后诸葛,而是决策前就知道后果的有意为之吧?

仅仅一个例子,外资投资银行与外资商业银行进入国内的问题,到底是幼稚不懂呢?还是故意为之,从中牟取私利?

家园 人家懂英文,你懂英文吗?

朱不知道出于什么考虑

人家懂英文,自己直接跟美国人对话,你懂英文吗?

家园 哈哈哈,笑背过气去了!!!!@!

一个方面呢,老朱这个人是比较精英的,比以前咱们周总理那可是还要精英一大截子都不止的。

哈哈哈,笑背过气去了!!!!@!

家园 我觉得也不是他在胡扯

凭我观察,忙总上网的态度很好,既不下大旗,说话又很诚恳,但他接触的全都是这一类大型破产或者准破产国企,情况都很特殊,而且都很难真正救活和好转。

他要是不好好干,那就是对他自家银行单位和被接管单位的不负责;但他如果好好干了,又有无数的困难等着他,而且往往是历史原因,可他确实又是一位勇于干事之人,气可鼓不可泄,所以他只能从外面找不利的原因,而体制内又确实有一些不利因素(其实谁家没有呢,美国也有啊),久而久之就形成思维定势了。

他不会明白前任总经理接手的是怎样一个烂摊子,又是怎样正在指挥一场尸山血海的战役。退,根本退无可退,甭管TG过去是多么的高尚有理想和有献身精神,那都不顶用;进,那就是实力堪比美国、甚至撬动整个地球的壮举。事实上他做到了后一种情况。

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