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家园 阿三自比大象,实在是恬不知耻

阿三的民族性格和国家行为方式,与大象毫不沾边。

印度当然属於食草动物,但它哪里具备大象的战斗力?成年的大象不惧任何食肉动物,单打独斗的话,狮子老虎大狗熊都不是个。我觉得阿三就是一只大马猴,山中无老虎的时候充一下大王,真遇到硬碴,马上就草鸡了

家园 现实不会是这样的。丛林法则从来是成王败寇,没有中间状态

所谓人在江湖身不由己。不把别人弄躺下,自己就得躺下。除非虚弱到被敌手无视,也许能搭个车蹭点。

家园 天道好还

得道多助,失道寡助……

家园 大象不需要“把别人弄躺下”

食肉动物之间,规则是“一山不容二虎,除非一公一母”。但是大象不理那套,晃晃悠悠想去哪去哪,虎豹豺狼除了呲牙嚎两声证明自己的存在,能干什么?

家园 商榷

没有哪个老拳王不是鼻青脸肿的看着新拳王捧起金腰带的。

商榷
家园 拳王争霸本来就是食肉动物的把戏

大象对此不感兴趣。神马金腰带之类都是浮云,为了那个玩意儿新拳王不也是鼻青脸肿吗?而且能保有几天?

君不见,曾经的日不落帝国,现在GDP连巴西都不如,更别提那些这个牙那个牙的“海上霸主”,现在就是个渣。

中国人唠唠叨叨什么兴衰周期律,却不知那些西方国家做梦都想有周期律,因为它们一掉下去就啥也不是再也爬不起来。看看希腊,看看罗马。。。

家园 转一片阳和平教授的文章

给大家加一点谈资。

[URL=http://www.bannedthought.net/China/Capitalism-Imperialism/FredEngst-RiseOfChina.pdf]The rise of China and its implications.

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这个人比较对得起老毛又红又专的要求。

通宝推:种植园土,
家园 看的人似乎不多,我来当一回文抄公。

亮点摘要:

The question is, will China avoid the so-called “Middle Income Trap”? This is a phrase coined by some simple-minded economists from the Asian Development Bank (ADB)

with a linear view of the world who avoid the concept of imperialism like the plague.

If there is a “trap”, it is a trap that was set up by imperialists. This is because the

multinationals are not interested in true development in Third World countries. They will try everything they can to prevent a Third World country from acquiring advanced

technologies so that it can move up the industrial food chain, into high-value added production, and thereby compete with the multinationals.

世界经济血淋淋的现实。

This is the irony of history! It took a period of independent socialist development first, a break from worldwide capitalist system, to make the indigenous capitalist development in a Third World country possible. Before this, it was true that only socialism could have saved China. But after it had an all-around industrial foundation, there were two roads to take. Both the socialist road (as in the case of the former Soviet Union which was able to develop in 30 years from a backward industrial power to a superpower after World War II) and the capitalist road could develop China, albeit in different ways, benefitting different classes. The elite in China chose the latter road for their own benefit

中国前三十年的功劳。

After it succeeded in dismantling the collectives in the countryside, the new ruling class moved its target back to the cities in the early 1990’s. It used the private sector economy to undercut most of the state sector enterprises. After milking most of the state sector dry, managers of these enterprises also set up private enterprises of their own to compete with the very state-owned enterprises that they were managing. The new elite was able to bankrupt the state-owned enterprises and break the backs of the urban working class. They replaced workers in the state sector with new workers from the countryside without any benefits or rights to their jobs in the private sector.

资改派如何偷梁换柱。。。

Perhaps not just paranoid, the party-state apparatus, more than the private capitalists, is keenly aware of the power of working class organization, especially a working class that was once in power. All other classes are allowed to have their own civil organizations in China, except for the working class.

工人阶级的下场。。。

And yet, there is no platform for this struggle to take place in China, as in the case of functioning capitalist democracies. The real threat to the party-state bureaucratic regime at this time is not from any outside forces, but the threat of implosion, as in the case of the former Soviet Union.

The clashes between the party-state bureaucratic capitalists and private capitalists that typified the so-called “Color revolution” in the Eastern European countries might come to China someday.

资本主义分子的内斗。。。

Like in the case of the Jewish people who were being exterminated during World War II, yet later the Zionists become the oppressors of the Palestinian people under the state of Israel, China is entering a transitional period in which it is no longer an oppressed nation, and is potentially becoming an oppressor nation. Confronted with the choices between fighting against hegemony and competing for hegemony, it often chooses the latter. A strong sense of nationalism in China combined with growing industrial might under capitalism is pushing it in the direction of imperialism.

对中帝的讨论

While the U.S. is going down, the rise of China will upset even more the balance of power in the world, provided the fragile party-state bureaucratic capitalist regime does not implode beforehand. Upholding nationalism is one means for the regime to keep itself alive. Currently, this nationalism is on the rise.

阳老师的母语毕竟不是英语,这一段有一个语法错误,同学们看出来了没?

Sooner or later, the shifting balance of power will lead to a war. Like Mao said, either a worldwide revolution will stop the inter-imperialist war, or the war will lead to a worldwide revolution. The First World War led to the first working-class state, while the Second World War gave birth to a socialist camp. If there is another inter-imperialist war, it will have educated the peoples of the world, including the people of the U.S., of the true evils of capitalism. They will have realized that to free humanity from the destruction of inter-imperialist wars, they will have to overthrow imperialism. To overthrow imperialism, they will have to overthrow capitalism. They don’t have much choice. The next inter-imperialist war will bring down the capitalist system worldwide— once and for all! All the nuclear weapons the U.S. possesses will be useless when facing a revolt of its own people!

阳老师毕竟是在红太阳底下成长的孩子,结语是亲切又熟悉的毛派风格啊。。。

阳教授在文革结束后就去了美国,所以对开改没有比较切身的体会,大家姑且看着吧。个人觉得,他这篇文写得比较清晰精简,难得的是“三观”正确,我觉得可以就他所阐述的内容探讨一下。

家园 最后这一段后半部分

最大的问题还是当用虚拟语气,要修改的地方太多了。

家园 在中帝国主义强大到可以打败其他帝国主义以前,内部矛盾

就爆发那该怎么办啊?

特别是这种矛盾爆发时,老帝国主义肯定会添油加醋,煽风点火,本来一件小事都可能会引发大爆炸。

这个得提前想到,不能啥都往好的方向考虑,做最坏的打算,争取最好的结果嘛。

家园 核武器让帝国之间不再选择战争,而是探索共存区间

理论上,或许可以存在一个区间,让新老帝国结盟共同压榨其它地区导致新老帝国共存,但是在实践中,新老帝国都会觉得与其探索这样一个区间,不如打倒对方来得省事。于是当德国崛起搞帝国的时候,世界大战就发生了。

由于核武器的产生,这个论断的结论就不再合适了。现在新老帝国都很有耐心在实践中探索这样一个区间,让大家可以共存。

家园 你这个在中国就是闭关锁国,英国光荣孤立,美国门罗主义

大象只保护好自己,但是照顾不到别的小动物们,结果就是看着狮子老虎把那些小动物们吃掉。

然后呢?如果那些狮子老虎在吃掉小动物们的过程中,慢慢消瘦最后变成别的肉食动物的食物,那就是罗马帝国匈奴帝国阿拉伯帝国奥斯曼帝国等等国家的情况。中国凭着自己的闭关锁国,安然度过了几千年的快乐生活,自己沿着自己的轨迹慢慢发展轮回。

可是,还有可能发生另外一种情况,就是那些狮子老虎吃掉小动物之后变得更强壮,想来尝尝大象的味道了。这就是鸦片战争到八国联军时候中国的经历。

你在帖子中说

中国不可能照顾全世界的所有穷人,

。。。。。。

中国既不需要老毛的不断革命,更不需要变成帝国主义。

那你就只能是民国主义分子了。中国走你这条路,最后的结果就是另一次鸦片战争,另一次八国联军,另一次民国混战。

所以,不管是中国式的闭关锁国,还是英国式的光荣孤立,或者美国式的门罗主义,最后的结果就是都不长久,要么自己去打别人成为帝国,要么被帝国打开大门被动开放。这两种结果,你愿意中国选择哪一种?

它们自然就会躲在我们留给它们的边边角角里一边食腐一边回忆往日的容光一边在意淫中消灭我们。

突然看到最后一句,不得不惊叹,还是你厉害!你都这样了,自己占了大片大片的草场,把别的不管是食肉动物还是食草动物都挤到边边角角了,还说自己不是帝国主义!!!!

得,我算是服了你了,你是真正得了小白兔精髓的,属于只做不说的那种,呵呵。

跟以达雅为代表的俺们这些帝国派相比,您老在占据资源方面厉害多了。中国现在以世界20%的人口,占据10%的资源,这刚开始想往11%奔去呢,先就心虚了,想,俺们是不是帝国主义了? 然后帝国派给自己壮胆,说,俺们就是要帝国主义。。。。。。

您这个呢,说,俺们是大象啊,扭扭屁股,就占了70%,剩下边边角角的30%给帝国主义们去分吧。俺们可不是帝国主义哦,不会和你们抢那30%的,呵呵。

家园 核武器让帝国追求“不战而胜”,彻底让对方从人变成猪

核武器并没有让帝国共存,而是让帝国争霸进入了一个更高的层次,从追求“战而胜之”升级为追求“不战而胜”,彻底摧毁对方的国家认同,分裂其国家,剥夺其对工业化的追求,让对方从人变成猪,靠出卖资源卫生。

美国对苏联就是这么做的。中国对美国也应当这么做。

要经过30-50年的努力,彻底实现美国的去工业化,让美国人都快乐地以种地采矿卫生。

家园 不错

实现共产主义的唯一可靠路径就是帝国主义间的大规模毁灭性战争,地球距离共产主义最近的时候正是古巴危机,太祖都说话了:牺牲3亿人换来全世界共产主义的胜利。要完成共产主义的使命必须首先完成帝国主义的建设

家园 这个过程不管是通过洗脑也好通过资本手段也好,都是自愿的

也可以归类为探索共存区间。当然你也可以把这归类为另类战争,例如货币战争,经济战争,金融战争,媒体宣传战争,等等。

但是至少已经不是直接消灭肉体占领对方领土的那种热战了,顶多打打代理人战争。

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