主题：欧洲讨饭记1 -- parishg
buy what they own in Africa first, 2nd choice is South America, where China has some kind of influence and therefore some kind of protection.
Fortune without power to protect is nothing in chaos time.
And buy those they refused to sell before, that is probably good things.
just what America did.
Any rational national leader, who still cares about his own nation's benefits and power, will make that rational choice.
Chinese do not need Europe's slowly-collapsing import demand for their economic growth.Domestic chinese do have economic demand for better life and improving living standards. THERE ARE DEMANDS THERE, JUST UNDER THEIR ASS.
It is the largest joke in the world that a nation with the largest population and one of the largest income disparity on the earth, look for "demand" from those hypocritical European nations, which are at least 7,000 miles away.
Wen gave too much bullshit these days. He can just shut up and watch the Euroland slowly collapsing among all the internal stabbing and quarrel.
CHINA DOES NOT NEED EU TO ACKNOWLEDGE ITS MARKET ECONOMY STATUS BECAUSE first China is not an market economy, and second,there will be no Euroland/EU very soon... Wen is now just like requesting a big favor from USSR in 1988...
Really stupid and mindless.
zt 路透社报道，盖特纳与欧洲各国财长进行了30分钟的会谈，要求4400亿美元的欧洲金融稳定基金应该发挥更大的作用，帮助希腊、葡萄牙、意大利等国摆脱困境。
但财长们似乎对华盛顿的指手画脚颇有微词。
奥地利财长Maria Fekter称：“他直言不讳的要求我们提供资金来解救金融系统。但据我所知，似乎美国的数据比欧洲还糟糕。而且当我们提出一个建议时，他又说行不通。”
haha, Trojan horse from America.
The largest liquidity problem comes from Eurodollar market, rather than the Euro market itself. Unfortunately, ECB can only beg for dollars and could not print itself. hahaha.
It is 100% deja vu of 2008 crisis.
所谓唇亡齿寒，两千年前我们就懂得道理现在还能犯糊涂？帮欧洲人，是要用一半的财产保证另外一半不受损失，不帮欧洲人，他们降了就会和美国人一起来抢我们，那时候命都得搭上，可不是一半财产的事了。为什么我们的财产会有风险？因为美国人不想生产，只想抢劫。Easy Money搞惯了，没兴趣挣辛苦钱了。羊群们抱成一团，老狼不好下口。就对喜羊羊说，何必跟懒羊羊，美羊羊那帮loser混在一起，跟我一起抢钱吃肉多好啊。你要信了他的，第一个被吃掉的就是你。张仪当年就是这么玩楚怀王的：
秦欲伐齐，齐楚从亲，於是张仪往相楚。楚怀王闻张仪来，虚上舍而自馆之。曰：“此僻陋之国，子何以教之？”仪说楚王曰：“大王诚能听臣，闭关绝约於齐，臣请献商於之地六百里，使秦女得为大王箕帚之妾，秦楚娶妇嫁女，长为兄弟之国。此北弱齐而西益秦也，计无便此者。”楚王大说而许之。群臣皆贺，陈轸独吊之。楚王怒曰：“寡人不兴师发兵得六百里地，群臣皆贺，子独吊，何也？”陈轸对曰：“不然，以臣观之，商於之地不可得而齐秦合，齐秦合则患必至矣。”楚王曰：“有说乎？”陈轸对曰：“夫秦之所以重楚者，以其有齐也。今闭关绝约於齐，则楚孤。秦奚贪夫孤国，而与之商於之地六百里？张仪至秦，必负王，是北绝齐交，西生患於秦也，而两国之兵必俱至。善为王计者，不若阴合而阳绝於齐，使人随张仪。苟与吾地，绝齐未晚也；不与吾地，阴合谋计也。”楚王曰：“原陈子闭口毋复言，以待寡人得地。”乃以相印授张仪，厚赂之。於是遂闭关绝约於齐，使一将军随张仪。
张仪至秦，详失绥堕车，不朝三月。楚王闻之，曰：“仪以寡人绝齐未甚邪？”乃使勇士至宋，借宋之符，北骂齐王。齐王大怒，折节而下秦。秦齐之交合，张仪乃朝，谓楚使者曰：“臣有奉邑六里，原以献大王左右。”楚使者曰：“臣受令於王，以商於之地六百里，不闻六里。”还报楚王，楚王大怒，发兵而攻秦。陈轸曰：“轸可发口言乎？攻之不如割地反以赂秦，与之并兵而攻齐，是我出地於秦，取偿於齐也，王国尚可存。”楚王不听，卒发兵而使将军屈匄击秦。秦齐共攻楚，斩首八万，杀屈匄，遂取丹阳、汉中之地。楚又复益发兵而袭秦，至蓝田，大战，楚大败，於是楚割两城以与秦平。
股份之类的也可以买，但是重点还是要换回来技术，还有非洲的份子。
to sell tech to China?--only after a severe economic crisis and total social collapse.
Without that, arrogant Russians will not put down their white superiority complex and move to China to sell their tech.
China needs to ensure that this downturn will be a long one, not for Chinese if the gov. can implement FDR-like policies, but for Europeans--so that Europe will finally start to sell AND SELL TO YOU AT BIG DISCOUNT.
You need to kick their ass and teach them a lesson that CHINESE ARE DOING THEM A FAVOR BY PAYING FOR THEIR TECH.
In the long run, Chinese should ask themselves a serious question: why SO MANY TSINGHUA TALENTED ENGINEERS MOVE TO STATES AND EUROPE TO produce new cutting tech for American and European firms?
China's firms suck and their management suck. That's simple. Japanese did much better than Chinese in absorbing and developing new technologies.
1） 欧洲的问题，根子是欧元各国自己，美国人不过是挑破了黑暗面，激化了矛盾，还是属于“顺势而为”的。如果没有欧猪们，美国敢情自己造一个出来？裁判再吹黑哨，总不能亲自踢一个球进去吧？
I can not cite all since we on the sub-forum promise not to do that. But you can ask Ben on this forum for his insights.
European funds actively worked against America and its banking system before 2008. Deustche bank stabbed American banks to destablize America. Now is just the pay-back time.
你做初一我做十五, fair game.
like crazy to support the banking system.
Euroland needs a political solution, but not one German politician has the gut to do the unpopular thing, risking his or her political career to provide this simple solution, WHICH IS CRUCIAL FOR an integrated EU to defeat America. Everyone is kicking the can down the road, but
FINANCIAL MARKET WILL TEACH POLITICIANS an interesting lesson.
What ECB can do is just to provide intensive care from one day to another day.
America is lucky to have Hank Paulson, who reversed a losing game for America into a successful assault on all attackers against America--by bankrupting Lehman. European banking system was almost paralyzed in 2008.
美国让雷曼兄弟倒闭，把全世界都拖进了资金链断裂的噩梦中，然后再用自己独一无二的美元给自己加血，有选择性的给别人加血？
按照你的看法德国人应该做什么呢？
“If you can't convince them, confuse them.”- Harry S Truman, 33rd President of the United States
我们谈得不是欧洲的问题，我们谈得是在美国的淫威下如何自保的问题。美国执天下之柄，威福自用，暴取豪夺，人人自危。在中国能独自对抗美国之前，我们需要朋友和我们站在一起。放下次要矛盾，解决主要矛盾。欧猪们混成今天这样，一定有做错的地方。我们这时候应该袖手旁观，还是落井下石，还是同舟共济，共度难关？狼要吃羊会找不到借口吗？美国吃完有错的欧猪们就会停止吗？到时候多半会找一堆借口钉在中国头上，然后把中国一口吞下吧。我们现在能做的不过是抱在一起取暖，希望能撑过这个漫漫长冬，撑到美国吃不了我们的那一天。代价一定是要付的，撑过去了，就海阔天空了。
"Winter is Coming",希望我们准备好了。