主题：【原创】为什么资本主义无法杜绝腐败兼论如何实行民主监督 -- 任爱杰
出现 Chapter 11 一般就是中国常说的“资不抵债”。不论是公司主动申请还是政府强迫执行，首先就是对公司清盘，搞清楚还有多少资产，然后确定如何清偿债主。
进入 Chapter 11 的公司一般要作“重组计划”。在“重组”的名义下，合理合法的大量解雇员工，变卖公司的资产。安然现在就处于这种状况。其各部门、各子公司被分拆出售。最近刚刚把旗下的 CrossCountry Energy, LLC 卖给了 CCE Holdings, LLC （GE Commercial Finance Energy Financial Services 和 Southern Union Company 的子公司。呵呵，老萨他们公司可捡了个大便宜，难怪最近那么忙。）。
至于进了 Chapter 11 还能不能起死回生，例子也是有的。不过很多时候都是公司被买断，招牌不换，里面已经全都换了。
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兄弟有一个兄弟, 学电的. 他的甲方是美国公司G, 曾经在福不斯排行榜上排在第一位.
他的老板 F 和 N 一样, 是G公司管点事的人物. 此人注册了个公司, 雇了6,7个人专门做 G 公司的生意(自己没辞职啊). 6,7个人能做什么? 这不用我们担心, 半成品拿来过把手总会吧?
最绝的是这个公司和G公司简直是融为一体. 前几天他们公司的一位女士跳到G公司, 连办公桌, 电话都没动!! 
我问这位兄弟, 他有没有机会也跳到G公司去, 他说, "门都没有". 那个女的能跳过去是因为她和G公司的另一个人物有一腿. 想他这种, 如果不给 F 干, 跳到别的公司可能, 跳到G公司是不可能的.
(待续)
不到万不得已，没有哪个公司愿意申请破产保护。
我觉得中国农民指的没有破产可能是纯粹破产意义上来讲的，所以帮助解释了一下。
另外我特意强调了一下，信用破产在美国确实是最要命的，没有信用，几乎寸步难行，信用的积累靠始终不懈的努力，而信用的丢失却是一夜之间的事情。
两个星期前, 开车路过 Air Canada 的大楼, 发现 Air Canada 的 logo 不见了. 后来听朋友说 Air Canada 被摘牌了. 想起了4月的一件事:
4月份, 我们公司的一个 technologist 去澳洲度假. 坐的是 Air Canada 的头等舱. 大家都知道鬼子不太会攒钱, 这种 technologist 挣得不多, 年纪也不大, 一般是做不起头等舱的. 后来和鬼子同事一起聊天的时候得知: 这个姐们通过在 Air Canada 的朋友(这个人我见过, 感觉职位并不高)花20加刀买了去澳洲头等舱的往返票(据说原价 16000 加刀).
(故事很多, 大多亲身经历, 有空再续, 没空就拉倒了)
科技版有一篇文章谈到人类自私的基因，希望大家有空去看看
http://www.cchere.com/cbbs/Ps/RA2.asp?BID=520&AID=177678
如何监督？如果俺没理解错，工人应是拥有平等权力的小股东，监督和决策也只能通过职工代表大会其实也就是股东大会的形式进行，也就是古希腊的城邦直接民主。如果工厂有一万名甚至更多的工人，显然直接的民主是不可能的，必然采用代议制的间接民主，民主代表也就成了议员。任老师的方案是不是这样呢？
另外，这种方案下，工人有铁饭碗，既不能被解雇，也不能自己辞职，和集中营也差不了多少，更精确地讲，是有报酬的劳改营。这样，中国企业之间如何形成人才流动机制呢？再说，各个企业之间经营状况、效益相差很大，这不是形成更大的不公平吗？而且永久不可以改变。这样，有谁愿意在这种国企中工作呢？有点能力的人还不都跑到私人企业或外企？这样，国企都成了福利院了，还如何与其他企业竞争？
俺真的怀疑，如果中国企业都采用任老师的方案，那么在很短的时间内，会全部倒闭，主人公们都等着发救济吧，如果那时政府还有能力支付的话。
不过加20加元坐头等并没有什么特别，只要头等有空位，不是把其他付钱坐头等的乘客挤下去，属于可以容忍范围内的腐败，就好像认识餐馆里的堂倌，吃饭的时候送甜点或者加多两个菜不收钱一样。我自己就曾经有段时间（911之前）经常出差，认识airline club的地勤空姐，经常在国内航空有空位的情况下不用任何额外金钱里数升到头等，嘴巴甜一点就行了。即使在用里数的情况下，等候的人群里同等飞行级数的嘴巴甜那个拿到的机会远高于发脾气的。
至于前面所说的分工给自己注册的另一个公司，如果是法律允许范围，看不出有什么不可以的。如果是个需要公开招标的项目，只要他秉公办理，利用内幕消息帮自己夺标很正常。唯一看到可能有问题的事成为自己公司的直接竞争者，如果有人揭露出来，那他肯定吃不着兜着走，等着下监狱。
已经和任老师短信联系过了，希望能够解释得通。气走了任老师，我的罪过就太大了
只要有人，就不能说十全十美。不过幸好小布什是美国这种制度内做总统，我相信美国健全的自我更正制度最后会把他送上法庭，因为他却是犯下了战争罪。
抓住所有制度明显的失误地方并没有什么意义，要是挑毛病，恐怕在每一个相同的课题从中国的制度上还有更多的失误可以指出。
当然我赞同任兄的部分看法，就是说中国不必跟美国走同样的制度，到底两国的文化、客观环境不一样。民主与否，资本主义与否，都是个手段，终点是富强，殊途同归。
"另外我特意强调了一下，信用破产在美国确实是最要命的，没有信用，几乎寸步难行，信用的积累靠始终不懈的努力，而信用的丢失却是一夜之间的事情"
谢谢不爱吱声.
俺要是哪里对任兄言重的地方, 还请多多见谅, 俺是对事不对人.
安然还在。说实话，我原来也以为安然已经不存在了。几个月前跟几位同事一起聊天，才知道安然还在，好好的呢。
你的这个连接要与时俱进了。
另外，给一个最新的消息吧：
ENRON ANNOUNCES SALE OF CROSSCOUNTRY TO SOUTHERN UNION/GE JOINT VENTURE FOR $2.45 BILLION
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: Wednesday, September 1, 2004
HOUSTON ?Enron announced today that it has reached an agreement with CCE Holdings, LLC, a joint venture of Southern Union Company and GE Commercial Finance Energy Financial Services, for the sale of CrossCountry Energy, LLC for $2.45 billion in cash, including the assumption of debt.
The sale price represents an increase of $100 million over the CCE Holdings stalking horse contract entered into in June. Following review of two written proposals submitted in the process outlined by the Bankruptcy Court, Enron and the Official Unsecured Creditors' Committee determined that a revised CCE Holdings contract would be in the best interest of the estate and its creditors. Enron and the Committee considered the risks associated with the competing proposals as well as the advantages provided by the revised purchase agreement, including, among other things, the enhanced purchase price and that the purchaser has obtained all material state regulatory approvals and federal antitrust clearance.
"This transaction represents a tremendous outcome for Enron's creditors," said Stephen F. Cooper, Enron interim CEO. "The purchase price reflects the quality of these assets and opportunities presented by these high-performing businesses."
The sale remains subject to approval of the Bankruptcy Court for the Southern District of New York. A hearing before the Bankruptcy Court is scheduled for September 9, 2004. Subject to this approval and certain other conditions precedent, the sale is expected to close by mid-December.
CrossCountry Energy was formed in June 2003 as a holding company for Enron's interests in Transwestern Pipeline Company, Citrus Corp., and Northern Plains Natural Gas Company. These three businesses have approximately 8.6 Bcf/d of capacity and 9,700 miles of pipeline. When the sale closes, Southern Union/GE will own 100 percent of CrossCountry.
CrossCountry Energy is headquartered in Houston and has approximately 1,100 employees. Transwestern Pipeline Company is a wholly owned 2,400-mile pipeline system extending from West Texas to the California border. Citrus Corp., which is held 50 percent by Enron and 50 percent by Southern Natural Gas, an El Paso affiliate, owns the 5,000-mile Florida Gas Transmission system that runs from south Texas to south Florida. The wholly owned Northern Plains Natural Gas Company is one of the general partners of Northern Border Partners, L.P. (NYSE: NBP), which owns interests in Northern Border Pipeline Company, Midwestern Gas Transmission Company, Viking Gas Transmission Company and Guardian Pipeline, LLC. CrossCountry Energy?s Internet address is www.crosscountryenergy.com.
Enron's Internet address is www.enron.com.
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This press release may contain statements that are forward-looking within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 and Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. Investors are cautioned that any such forward-looking statements are based on management's current expectation and, as such, are not guarantees of future performance. Accordingly, actual results could differ materially as a result of known and unknown risks and uncertainties, including, but not limited to: various regulatory issues; the outcome of the Company's Chapter 11 process; risks inherent in the Company's Chapter 11 process, such as the non-confirmation of the Joint Chapter 11 Plan (the "Plan") of the Company and its debtor affiliates (collectively, the "Debtors"), non-occurrence or delayed occurrence of the Plan's effective date or delayed distribution or non-distribution of securities or other assets under the Plan; the uncertain outcomes of ongoing litigation and governmental investigations involving the Company?s operating subsidiaries and the Debtors, including those involving foreign regulators and the U.S. Congress, the Department of Justice, the Securities and Exchange Commission ("SEC"), the Department of Labor, the Internal Revenue Service, the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation, the National Association of Securities Dealers, Inc., the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, the Federal Trade Commission, the California and Connecticut Attorneys General and numerous Congressional committees and state agencies; the uncertain outcomes of numerous lawsuits and claims; the effects of negative publicity on the Company's operating subsidiaries' business opportunities; the effects of the departure of past and present employees of the Debtors; uncertain resolution of special purpose entity issues; the preliminary and uncertain nature of valuations and estimates contained in the Plan; financial and operating restrictions that may be imposed on an operating subsidiary of the Company if the Company is required to register under the Public Utility Holding Company Act; potential environmental liabilities; increasing competition and operational hazards faced by the Debtors and operating subsidiaries of the Company; the potential lack of a trading market for the securities distributed to creditors; uncertainties created by the lack of reported information for securities distributed to creditors and the lack of independent operating history of the Company's operating subsidiaries; economic, political, regulatory and legal risks affecting the finances and operations of the Debtors and the Company's operating subsidiaries; and the uncertain timing, costs and recovery values involved in the Debtors' efforts to recover accounts receivable and to liquidate the remaining assets.
As explained in a November 8, 2001 Form 8-K filed by the Company with the SEC, the previously issued financial statements of the Company for the fiscal years ended December 31, 1997 through 2000 and for the first and second quarters of 2001 and the audit reports covering the year-end financial statements for 1997 through 2000 should not be relied upon. In addition, as explained in an April 22, 2002 Form 8-K filed by the Company, the financial statements of the Company for the third quarter of 2001 should not be relied upon. The Company continues to believe that the existing common and preferred stock of the Company have no value. However, the Joint Chapter 11 Plan of the Company and its debtor affiliates filed with the Bankruptcy Court on July 11, 2003 provides the Company?s stockholders with a contingent right to receive recovery in the very unlikely event that the aggregate value of the Company?s assets exceeds the total amount of allowed claims.
如此好文章，作为跟帖实在可惜。建议老兄充实一下内容，单独开一个系列。
对不起，您的最新消息，我早就报道过了。
连接如下：
http://www.talkcc.com/article/251033
至于安然究竟是不是破产，不知道您自己读了你转的这篇报道没有？安然现在牌子还在，但是已经申请破产保护。现在只不过是清算财产然后分拆出售还债罢了。您自己转的几个帖子无非就是在证明这一点。
例如这一段"This transaction represents a tremendous outcome for Enron's creditors," said Stephen F. Cooper, Enron interim CEO. "The purchase price reflects the quality of these assets and opportunities presented by these high-performing businesses."
翻译：“这笔交易对于安然的债主们来说代表了一个巨大的成果，”安然的临时董事长施蒂芬.F.库伯说，“这个价钱反映了这些表现优异的企业所代表的资产和机遇的质量。”（呵呵，这位临时董事长也就只能这么吆喝两句了。）
另外：The sale remains subject to approval of the Bankruptcy Court for the Southern District of New York. A hearing before the Bankruptcy Court is scheduled for September 9, 2004. Subject to this approval and certain other conditions precedent, the sale is expected to close by mid-December.
翻译：“这笔交易仍然有待于纽约南区破产法庭的准许。2004年9月4号将在破产法庭举行一个听证会。如果得到准许，并且其他先决条件也顺利完成，这笔交易预计将在12月中旬最终完成。”（也就是说，现在还在半天里吊着呢。）