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主题:【原创】乱弹TG第一回:话说TG这次实验的心路历程 -- face888

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    • 家园 难道这个世界上真有5分党

      大家一起来鉴别一下

      我真是搞糊涂了

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    • 家园 这是什么??

      谁能告诉我这是什么????

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      这个有是什么

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    • 家园 苍天无眼哪

      我怎么没经验了~~~

      经常看帖的呀~

    • 家园 还是澄清下吧

      美国的GMD就是中段反导,不知道谁以讹传讹说末段反导,还被那么多人传为真相。我们的中段反导系统就是跟踪美国NMD/GMD技术做出来的,GMD这个缩写(Ground-Based Midcourse Defense)本身就说明了他的性质。美国的末段反导系统是THAAD和PAC3

      至于说中段反导能让污染留在敌方更是天方夜谭了,助推段结束后,不做任何机动的弹道飞行,弹头会飞向预定目标。即使此后被拦截,大部分仍然弹道飞行向预定目标附近,能被KKV撞毁时180°改变方向的碎片少之又少可以忽略不计。

      • 家园 拦截应该是改变弹道吧?
      • 家园 你的乐善怎么是0

        orion 你的乐善怎么是0啊

        这个怎么回事

        谁能告诉偶

      • 家园 看清楚再回帖

        突然想起来,美帝似乎还没有进行过中段拦截试验,美国的NMD试验12次7次成功都是末端拦截

        说的很清楚了米过木进行过中段拦截试验.就这么简单

        如果米国进行过该实验早就蛮世界忽悠了

        看看WW,棒子,日本还有三哥,都是和米国学的

        这都是民主国家体制问题

        face888:事实表明TG的这次实验真是世界第一了

        关于美国的反导系统,我在网上查了查,有些很有趣的东西.如这篇去年刊登在USA TODAY上的文章

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        原文太长,只贴出有意思的几段:

        [QUOTE]"Obama said he would support missile defense if it proved workable."

        "The type of ground-based interceptors that would be deployed in Europe failed to hit targets in five of 13 tests, according to the Pentagon. They have not demonstrated an ability to detect decoys, the Government Accountability Office (GAO) says."

        "In the most recent test of the U.S.-based system, an interceptor launched in December from California destroyed a warhead launched from Alaska. But a goal of the test was to see if the interceptor could distinguish a live warhead from decoys, and the decoys failed to deploy."

        The successful tests "have all been scripted for success," said former Pentagon testing chief Philip Coyle, another skeptic. "It's a little bit like comparing the results of students doing open book exams."

        Richard Lehner, spokesman for the U.S. Missile Defense Agency, disputed those assessments. In an e-mail, he said the tests are "as operationally realistic as possible."

        Physicist Richard Garwin, who helped design the hydrogen bomb and served recently on a commission to assess the ballistic missile threat, said in an email that because it can be so easily defeated by decoys, the "system is not worth deploying, because it will be useless."

        可以看到,其实美国人对自己的系统也很没底.首先是其反导实验中预设的情况被人所垢病,被认为缺乏实战价值.(当然,反导部门的发言人认为实验已经离现实世界很接近了)其次,美国的反导系统尚未证明其有辨别诱饵的能力,怀疑者认为简单的气球就可以骗过反导弹头.(08年,美国对上那次反导试验就是想看看其系统有否辨别诱饵的能力,可惜诱饵没有成功和来袭弹头分离.如此说来,美国最后一次的实验并不能算成功)

        还有一篇:

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        Perhaps the most often cited limitation of the antiballistic missile program involves testing scenarios that do not mimic real-world battle conditions, a problem even Pentagon overseers acknowledge. Charles E. McQueary, director of the Defense Department's Operational Test and Evaluation command, writes in his 2008 annual assessment of the missile agency that "additional test data collected under realistic flight test conditions is necessary to validate models and simulations and to increase confidence." Experts like Philip E. Coyle III, a senior advisor to the World Security Institute and former assistant secretary of defense in the Clinton administration, are more blunt in their criticism. "It's embarrassing to the Missile Defense Agency and to their contractors when these tests fail, and it can also be costly," Coyle says. "Contractors can lose their award fee if a test fails and try to plan each test so it won't fail."

        Paul Francis, director of the U.S. Government Accountability Office's acquisition and sourcing management division, told lawmakers in February 2009 of a different problem. Francis said that the Missile Defense Agency had begun fielding system components before being adequately tested, raising the possibility of cost overruns and making it impossible to determine the system's progress. Some congressional leaders, like Senator Carl Levin ,suggest the time has come to rein in that spending. "The Missile Defense Agency was allowed to cut corners" in the early years of the Bush administration, Levin told Bloomberg in February 2009. "I would say we've got to slow that down and properly test it."

        这里我们再次看到了美帝的反导实验预设的问题,连五角大楼负责监督实验进程的官员也承认必须作出修正.还有一点就是美国的反导系统在没有经过充分的试验之前就已经开始部署了,有政绩工程的嫌疑.

        PS:从报道看来,美帝的反导系统必须面对识别诱饵这个难题,它的中段拦截毫无疑问属于后半程.而至今还没有看到美帝有解决方案,其系统也因此被反对者批为毫无实战意义.而TG的拦截在中段的前半程,在诱饵放出之前.现在看来,应该可以算是世界第一了.就算数据是预设的,实战意义还是比美帝的高上一筹.难怪美国急火攻心,连google这样的美国隐藏特工(不说google map, google earth, 单单每个国家的人所搜索的对象,已经可以分析出不少有价值的东西了)都抛出来和中国打擂台,都是气得啊.......[/QUOTE]


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        • 家园 这个实在是太扯了

          GMD的不是中段拦截,难道是末端拦截不成?刀口就是在信口胡吹呢你就当真了。GMD从99年开始,打了十几次这是常识,美国同时还进行大量的末段拦截试验,如SM-3,THAAD和PAC-3的试验,他们根本就没有必要特意说什么中段试验,只有第一次进行试验的中国需要声明是末段还是中段。

          我国的拦截,从弹道上说明显是后半程,这个前半程好像也是刀口在忽悠别人。你自己从五寨到库尔勒量一下,拦截点在酒泉西200公里以外,那个位置能是前半程就见鬼了。

          另外弹道导弹弹道分为助推段,中段和末段,中段还可以细分为上升和下降段。有时还会在助推段和中段之间划出一个Post-Boost Phase,这个阶段释放诱饵和弹头,就算以MX导弹10个分弹头释放完毕也不过是弹道全程的1/4,民兵3更快。前半程谁说诱饵没放出了?

          而且没有运作良好的传感器预警系统核作战指挥系统,就算试验拦截点在上升段也没有任何效果,因为你实际上没有上升段拦截能力,只不过作弊打到上升段而已。我们有DSP或是更好的SBIRS/STSS预警卫星么,有完善的远程预警雷达么,能就近部署拦截弹么,不能的话有啥用?根本没有实战意义!

          至于说真要在诱饵和弹头放出前拦截的助推段拦截,美国都放弃了,高加速的KEI配合第一时间发现弹道导弹发射SBIRS都做不到,因为KEI不部署到弹道导弹发射点几百公里内,加速快也根本来不及进行助推段拦截。制约助推段拦截的关键是拦截弹部署地点,制约上升段拦截的是完善的传感器和高效的指挥控制网络,这些都不是我们现在有的。什么美国急火攻心,全都是自己在意淫罢了


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          • 家园 嘿嘿

            说刀口在信口胡吹,看来你比总装的高级军官更牛X了。。。嘿嘿

            • 嘿嘿
              家园 我是军盲哪里比得过人家啊

              人家还说08年美国反卫星根本没达到呢,是自己引爆的卫星,不照样一群人津津乐道,不知道他是不是MDA的什么高级官员啊,否则这个可信度可实在不高

              • 家园 知道《海军上校访谈录》不

                看看刀口5年多前写的东东,当时绝大多数人都认为他在吹牛,可如今大部分都得到了证实。嘿嘿,就凭这,我就相信他。

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