主题：美国是个“枪支泛滥”的国家 -- buellxb
家园 你曲解了禁枪政策的效果。 禁枪政策最有效的后果不是坏人得不到枪，而是坏人得到了枪也不敢随便用，就算用也就是拿来吓唬人，不敢随便上膛，击发。
因为只要一发生枪案，就是天字第一号案，重案组要出动，专案专办，不办完不罢休。
结果就是除非丧心病狂之人是不会真的动枪的。像日本就是这样。日本暴力团没枪吗？但是他们敢用吗？日本警察都弱到被人拿刀追着跑了，他们还是不敢用。
如果放开了枪禁，一天10几起枪案，习以为常的话，恐怕就算死了人，警察也不过就是把卷宗一放排队等有人手再说罢了。
家园 正因为我知道禁枪的后果不是坏人得不到枪 而是禁止好人得到枪，所以才建议大家在美国买枪自卫。我希望永远也用不着它，但是我也希望该用的时候它就在手边 - 和买保险是一样的。
至于“禁枪政策最有效的后果是坏人得到了枪也不敢随便用，就算用也就是拿来吓唬人，不敢随便上膛，击发。”大概是中国国情。 可是我的文章是关于在美国买枪，并没有涉及是否应在中国或日本取消枪禁。
在美国，不管坏人用不用枪，只要是威胁了我的（或他人的）生命安全，我就有权利“用枪”阻止犯罪， 有枪我就不会用刀或拳头。 坏人敢不敢随便用枪，枪案是不是天字第一号案，重案组要不要出动，是否专案专办，不办完不罢休，这些跟我个人的在那一刻的安全没什么关系。
而且我宁愿被打死也不愿被吓死。
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家园 哪个国家也不可能100%防止坏人获得枪支 如果禁枪不能100%禁止坏人获得枪支，那么个人拥有枪支不失为自我保护的一种有效方法即便是禁枪最为严厉的日本，黑帮一样可以拥有武器，那个政府也不敢拍这个胸脯担保...
国内黑社会拥枪现在已经成为普遍现象...
好，如你所愿，咱不禁了，开禁，随便买卖... 你认为是黑帮会抢先装备上枪支弹药呢，还是街头的大爷大妈们？
那帮亡命徒，没枪都敢拿片儿刀上街砍人，有了枪你认为他们会反而不敢用了？
国内的父母亲戚们仅仅为了上街买趟菜，你愿意鼓励他们买把枪身上挂着，冒着跟黑帮街头对射的风险，“不失为自我保护的一种有效方法”？？？
家园 这个事情在美国争论了几十年上百年了，结果呢？ 家园 结果就是在过去20年里 允许合法持枪（CCL）的州越来越多。从1986年的35个到现在的48州。
家园 支持严格管制枪支的人数在逐年下降 http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/New-poll-Support-for-tougher-gun-laws-at-lowest-point-in-decades-63920207.html
New poll: Support for tougher gun laws at lowest point in decades
By: BYRON YORK
Chief Political Correspondent
10/10/09 9:32 AM EDT
A new Gallup poll shows that the number of Americans who favor tougher gun control laws has dropped to its lowest point in nearly 20 years.
Gallup asked the question, "In general, do you feel that the laws covering the sale of firearms should be made more strict, less strict, or kept as they are now? Forty-four percent said more strict, 12 percent said less strict, and 43 percent said the laws should be kept as they are now -- making for a 55-44 majority opposed to tougher laws.
That 44 percent is the lowest number since Gallup began asking this particular question in 1990. A year ago, in October 2008, 49 percent wanted stricter laws. Four years ago, in October 2005, 57 percent wanted tougher laws. In May 2000, 62 percent favored tougher laws, and in August 1999, 66 percent felt that way. Going farther back, in March 1993, 70 percent favored stricter laws, and in September 1990, 78 percent felt that way.
Gallup also asked respondents whether they believe there should be a law "that would ban the possession of handguns, except by the police and other authorized persons." Twenty-eight percent said yes, versus 71 percent who said no. That 28 percent who favor a ban is the lowest figure in the 50 years -- yes, 50 years -- that Gallup has been asking the handgun question. Five years ago, 36 percent of those surveyed favored a handgun ban, and in 1993, 42 percent were in favor. On the flip side, the 71 percent who oppose a handgun ban is the highest that figure has ever been in five decades of polling.
Gallup found that support for more restrictive gun laws has gone down in every sub-group measured -- age, sex, race, education, political philosophy, etc. But even with that decline, majorities in some groups still support tougher laws. For example, 59 percent of people in the East support more restrictive laws, as do 55 percent of women, 55 percent of people who have post-graduate education, and 67 percent of people who describe themselves as liberals.
家园 人家是民主社会嘛
家园 日本禁枪是最厉害的？ 何解？
我记得河里还有人发过在日本合法拥有霰弹枪的文章。
家园 连刀都禁 警察提根棍子执勤多少年了... 合法持有霰弹枪？北海道吧...
家园 别砸我啊 我相信那帮亡命徒，没枪都敢拿片儿刀上街砍人，有了枪更敢用了
所以为了避免刺激黑帮造成街头对射的风险---
我支持黑帮有枪，大爷大妈，妇女儿童，青年壮年素手戴笔。 没准黑帮心一软放过我们手无寸铁的群众呢。
我支持全面禁枪 - 反正“黑帮会抢先装备上枪支弹药”，我们好人有没有枪都无所谓。
我支持干弟的“非暴力不合作”
我支持“人为刀俎，我为鱼肉”
- 复 别砸我啊
家园 对于社会弱势群体来说，有枪没枪都一样当鱼肉 你认为买菜的大爷大妈跟那些天天打打杀杀的黑帮们对射，能有多大胜算？
更何况你有小手枪，人家还能搞到大杆枪啊...
好，你咬咬牙，鸟枪换炮，也升级到大杆枪... 人家搞到机枪了啊
你跟着升级啊？
多早晚升级到大门左右各一辆坦克，二门放俩爱国者防空导弹，大厅中间来一枚20000吨级核弹，四周都是光凌柱，才能捍卫家庭，不当鱼肉，是吧？
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禁枪论是依赖社会的力量来维持治安，而拥枪论者依赖个人能力来维持治安，效率马上可以见高下。
美国私人拥有枪支的比例在工业化国家中是最高的，同时犯罪率也是最高的，所以民众拥有枪支并不意味更安全。