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                        • 家园 我看到的第一篇就是个“假说”

                          A novel hypothesis is presented here .......................

                          你确定你看到的不是"novel hypothesis"而是已经得到承认的,"关于针灸有两点已比较清楚"的成果?

                  • 家园 人家信口一说

                    你还真信了

                    如果经络和针灸真的有重大突破,绝对是世界级的新闻,但看样子极难。

                    • 家园 这只能算是初级的研究

                      确认针灸的效果是可重复的,通过神经系统起作用。

                      说个例子,癌症细胞生长有两个特征,永生化和浸润性及转移。可其中具体的机制呢,不清楚。

                    • 家园 科学精神中的基本一点是质疑 -- 看来我不够科学啊

                      i'm too naive——不过这年头打着科学的旗号反科学的还真不少

            • 家园 Some thoughts

              This is my first post here. Just provide some thoughts that may be useful for you.

              难道老祖宗的东西就不能被质疑?被质疑了就要拿出证据来,可证据在哪里?这和他们是不是傻子无关,和他们的认知水平有关。哥白尼提出地动学说以前的欧洲人都是傻子么?

              判断标准是实践,这点很好。不过,请中医的人讲一下,经络在哪里,三焦又在哪里,心主神明怎么回事。气滞而痛的疝气是怎么回事。

              Science itself is not absolute. It is often that some scientific conclusions turned out to be wrong, or at least need to be corrected. Therefore, if you cannot understand traditional Chinese medicine (TCM), either TCM does not make sense or you are not ready to understand it, or both.

              I probably can ask you similar things like you did, "so we cannot question scientific studies?" No offense. As you said, 科学精神中的基本一点是质疑. It does not isolate science from other approaches for understanding the universe. I would say personal experience is important for us, probably complementary to science because science has its own limitations.

              I have my own opinions about those questions you asked. Most of them cannot be explained by autopsy, which is the basis of the modern medicine. But if you think only what you see is true, then you cannot understand it. Remember that what the human eye can see is within a very narrow band of electromagnetic waves. Lots of things we do not know.

              好的不难为你,请老老实实的把各种中医药的临床有效性的证据拿出来。机理,毒性,有效性,适应症等等等等。说白了,这也是我想让中医去做的。这也是所谓的验药。

              I agree that we should do some things to test herbal medicine. If you read some TCM books, you probably know that herbal medicine does have theories. Those theories helped people recognize and prepare herbal medicines. It is difficult to perform randomized controlled trials (RCTs) to test those medicines due to limitations of the RCT methodology. We probably need to figure out a better way to show the effectiveness of herbal medicine scientifically. When that day comes, TCM can talk to modern medicine directly.

              By the way, 机理,毒性,有效性,适应症等等等等 for most medicines are not very clear to me, too. Herbal medicines probably are better because we have experience using them in a much longer term. What we need to do is to summarize our experience in past years and use them smartly nowadays.

              • 家园 实践出真知,少卖弄理论!

                1、这里都是中国人,讨论的是中国当前的问题,不要写这种半中半洋的热狗三明治,你唬谁呀?

                2、少拿西医的理论框框,西医的方法论来套中医。科学的道路千条万条,不是只有西医这一条道路。检验是否科学,既不是看理论,也不是看你怎么做,而是看实践的结果,明白吗?

                3、只有学神学的牧师、和尚,才喜欢天天捧着书本和理论,用理论框框套现实。科学从来没有什么框框,科学只讲实践,只看结果,实践有效才是真科学。

                4、工程领域无数的经验积累出来的所谓经验公式,以目前的理论水平,根本无法推导,给不出任何证明,但是的确有效,所以在工程实践中大量应用。试试去问日本人、德国人,你的这个合成材料的理论依据是什么呀?你的制作工艺、经验公式有什么科学证明呀?我看十个人有九个要晕倒的。呵呵

      • 家园 人才的确是个问题

        当年高中同学高考时,成绩好的报医学院,成绩差的才报中医学院,而中医学院无论从分数线还是录取批次看都比医学院要差一点。虽说高考成绩不能完全说明人的才华,但也算是个标尺吧。

    • 家园 现在加国中医挺红火

      老外现在也认针灸推拿按摩这一类东西,以前老婆打工的中药店,来买中药的老外很多。

    • 家园 支持中医!
    • 家园 +1

      西医也不是万能的,何况现代的西医还有很多没弄明白的地方。而中医,藏医等等古老的医学,似乎也没法用“安慰剂”之类的说法一概否定。

      我只能说,尺有所短 寸有所长。一概打倒不是科学的态度。

    • 家园 这篇文章包括标题都似曾相识啊.
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