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但我想问美国为何如此坚决来保护犹太复国主义政权?美国政府与远在1万公里之遥的犹太复国主义政权有何关系,美国有什么必要支持它?

  AHMADINEJAD (through translator): Aside related to the Zionist regime issue this news -- Mr. Castro sent a message to me yesterday and said it was untrue, this statement, that his statements were interpreted differently, that he had said something different. So I have no opinion here on this statement。

  But I'd like to ask why is there so much insistence in the United States to absolutely defend the Zionist regime? What is the relationship between the U.S. government, 10,000 kilometer across the ocean from the Zionist regime, and the need to support it?

  金:因为有大量的犹太人仅仅因为是犹太人而遭到屠杀,七百万、八百万犹太人遭到屠杀。作为一个人道主义国家,我们对此很关注。许多犹太人来到这里生活。许多犹太人在以色列创造了一个国家,想在那里和平地生活。

  你是否知道,卡斯特罗称,你应当认识到世界仍然存在反犹主义,我们应当对此感到关切。

  KING: Because a massive group of people were annihilated just for being what they were. Seven Million were killed, eight million. So as a humanitarian country, we care about this. And many Jews came here to live. And many Jews created a country in Israel and wanted to live in peace。

  Don't you -- now, Castro did say you should recognize anti- Semitism exists in the world, and we all should be concerned about it。

  内:这是否是一个真正的议题,美国政府想保护人权?

  AHMADINEJAD (through translator): Is that the real issue, that the U.S. government wants to defend human rights?

  金:当然。

  KING: Of course。

  内:那些人是在哪里被杀害的?他们是在巴勒斯坦被杀害的吗?是被巴勒斯坦人杀害的吗?

  AHMADINEJAD (through translator): Where were these people killed? Were they killed in Palestine? By the hands of Palestinians?

  金:他们在哪里被杀害并不重要,事实是他们遭到了屠杀。

  KING: It doesn't matter where they were killed, it's the fact that they were killed。

  内:哦,那么一百万伊拉克人被杀就可以吗?如果伊拉克人决定到美国来,占领美国,这是否被允许?他们是在伊拉克被杀的,你将允许他们来占领美国吗?

  AHMADINEJAD (through translator): Oh. Then it's all right for a million Iraqi people to be killed and then, would it be OK if they decided to come and occupy the United States? They were killed in Iraq. Would you allow them to come occupy the United States?

  金:你是在说美国犯下了种族屠杀的罪行,你是在说美国犯下了种族屠杀的罪行?

  KING: You're not saying the United States committed genocide? You're saying the United States committed genocide?

  内:这是一个单独的讨论,是的,这样的情况在伊拉克和阿富汗都发生了。但它是单独的议题。我想问你,如果在一个国家,一些人的权利遭到侵犯,他们遭到压迫,按照你的想法,如果你的说法是正确的话,这是否意味着他们可以去占领另一块土地?这是否符合逻辑?如果我们按照这种逻辑行事,世界还会有安全吗?

  1亿人或者8千万人在第二次世界大战中丧生,如果他们要占领世界各地的二十个国家,那将是非常可怕的。

  AHMADINEJAD (through translator): That's a separate discussion. And, yes, it did happen in both Iraq and Afghanistan. But that's a separate issue. I like to ask you, if in a country someone's rights are violated, they're oppressed, assuming that your assumption, your statement is correct, does that imply that they can go and occupy another land? Is there any logic in that? If we were to follow that logic, will there be any security left in the world?

  In World War II, 100 million -- or 80 million people were killed. If they were to go occupy 20 countries around the world, that would have been terrible。

  金:以色列是一个合法国家。

  KING: Israel is a legal state。

  内:问题在于,问题是,你刚才说这是因为犹太大屠杀,你为何改变了说法?

  AHMADINEJAD (through translator): The question is -- come on. The question -- you just said yourself it's over the Holocaust. Why are you changing your statement?

  金:你是在说

  KING: You were saying --

  内:我的问题是美国如此坚决保护以色列的利益是什么?在世界许多地方,人们的人权遭到侵犯。你知道有多少美国印第安人被屠杀?你是否知道?

  AHMADINEJAD (through translator): My question is what are the interests of the United States to -- in absolutely defending them. There are many parts of the world where human rights are violated. Do you know how many American Indians were killed? Do you know or not?

  金:我知道,我们的时间到了。

  KING: I know. We're out of time。

  内:你是一名记者,你应当有这些问题的答案。

  AHMADINEJAD (through translator): You're a reporter. You should have the answers to these。

  金:我们没有时间了,我们明年将与伊朗总统再次进行讨论。我是拉里-金,不要走开。

  KING: We're out of time. We'll pick this up next year with the president of Iran. I'm Larry King. Don't go away。

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