主题：【讨论】下任总经理的施政纲领 -- wqnsihs

就算我认识的央企的高级管理人员（ceo，cfo，coo等等），10多年来基本上是星期天休息不肯定，星期六肯定不休息，在办公室彻夜不眠经常的事情，

--I am talking about LOW-level labor, not senior management. DO NOT CHANGE THE SUBJECT.Their pay is much higher and they aspire for political powers, thus they should feel free to work as long as you like. You should not expect/require LOW-level workers to work 24/7 EVERY DAY. They are human beings, not your disposable machines.

--Senior management in States also have much longer working hours. It is normal for some of them to work like this--that's their responsbility. I know one senior banker always meets his children in the New York airport. Nothing surprising.

就算我认识的央企的高级管理人员（ceo，cfo，coo等等），10多年来基本上是星期天休息不肯定，星期六肯定不休息--I do not meet many of them, but I can tell you that I only respect two of them I met before: the Merchant Bank CEO and the China Aluminum CEO. In my opinion, some of others are jerks: managing a firm like a military officer.

Most others work long hours with tons of meaningless office meetings, they do not work smartly. Many are politicians, not competent managers.

觉得你们没人性，是该鄙视的经济动物，应该限制你们劳动的权力

--AGAIN, I REFER TO LOW-LEVEL WORKERS, not senior managers.

--I think average Joes work to earn a living--NOT BECAUSE THEY ENJOY WORKING or WANT TO DEVOTE TO CHINA'S GREAT RISE. AND YOU SHOULD NOT COMPEL THEM TO SACRIFICE THEIR NORMAL LIFE FOR YOUR ASPIRATION.

That's true in both US and China as well as Europe. They need enough rest to recover from hard work. 5-working day is normal for family men/women. Keep in mind, child-raising is also a time-consuming investment.

--I asked friends with middle-manager level jobs(not senior management level--some of them quite enjoyed that life style) in Shanghai--ALL OF THEM COMPLAIN about unpaid overtime and related peer pressure. They do not share your aspiration--for them, an everrising China has only contributed to a house that is way non-affordable and an inflation outstripping their pay rise.

They are the majority--THEY DO NOT ENJOY UNPAID OVERTIME AS YOU DO, so please do not speak on their behalf.

你知道劳动法导致多少人失业吗？有饭吃的人指责没饭吃的人不应该干那些脏活，累活，是不是很荒唐。

--你知道劳动法导致多少人失业吗？there is short-run effect and long-run effect. When FDR first implemented Great Deal law on labor regulations, so many RICH Americans hate him.

While when a middle-class gradually came into existence later, people started to realize the long-term benefits of better labor protection.

--Under the current low labor rate in China, no serious capitalists shall have incentives for capital investment: because it is more profitable to use labor to replace machines. That's exactly what happened in J&J Shanghai in 1990s.

--Labor law in Europe helps to improve the living standards of the poor working class. What the law did is the SQUEEZE SOME profit out of the capitalists and fat pay of managers to feed those poor guys.

有饭吃的人指责没饭吃的人不应该干那些脏活，累活，是不是很荒唐。

--You are changing the subject again here. While the work can be dirty, but why there is no fire alarm in the working facility? Why there is no enough toilet system? why the capitalists(like the coal mine owners from San Xi) earned super high profit, sending their spoiled kids to US/Canada/Australia to enjoy super nice life while still refused to invest in the minimum safety facilities for those coal miners? Can you tell me how many Chinese coal miners died in the last 5 years DUE TO TOTAL CARELESSNESS OF THOSE mine owners?

Chinese elites only know to squeeze BLOODY PROFIT FROM their compatriots and continuously compete on the cheap side, then blame their compatriots for no purchasing power--if you pay the slave rate, eliminate minimum safety facilities and do not give cafe or toilet, how can you expect your compatriots to have purchasing power and live WITH DIGNITY?

我还是要用汶川地震时农民兄弟的话：美国是不是不干活就有饭吃？

--yes, some of the disadvantaged people (old pensioners, disabled workers, some unemployed people) do still have food on their table. BECAUSE GOVERNMENT USES TAXATION FOR wealth redistribution, so that some of your compatriots do not have to live like slaves. That's the progress under the Great Deal.

Mediaid is financed by tax money and it is free to disadvantaged people. Medicare is open to senior and also financed by public finance--it is called wealth redistribution.

在家里等着就有汽车开？

--Welfare payment is too low for that. Most welfare is paid through food coupon, for food purpose only.

政府发房子发老婆？

--while it provided limited public housing and subsidizes rent and has rent control regulation--therefore, rich people can not do whatever they like to some poor tenants.

发老婆？--you need to date out yourself, right? China's gov. actually managed that once through Dan Wei.

20年前，民工为能够获得血汗工厂的位置都要打破头，今天他们的后代已经不屑于进血汗工厂，这就是我们的进步。

--20 years ago, China does not have so many sweat shops. NOW, China make almost all low-end consumer products for the whole world (not just US or Europe), which means an explosion of job positions.

Not comparable.

--今天他们的后代已经不屑于进血汗工厂，这就是我们的进步。It is not progress, it is because of ONE-CHILD POLICY and a sharply shrinking young labor pool! It is also because the government purchase program boasted farmer income and sweat shop owners refused to raise pay in the last time years, THUS MAKING THE GUANGDONG SWEAT shop jobs no longer attractive.

Give me a break, those 民工 are exactly 极端个人主义 and cold-blood economic man: they weigh costs and benefits and make their move. THEY DO NOT SHARE YOUR ASPIRATION.

Chinese are lip-servicely collective people and inherently 个人主义 people. Do not listen to what they say, watch out their career choice.

我相信再过20年，他们的下一代，就可以在升级的产业链上与美国鬼子平等竞争了，那个时候美国鬼子千万不要说：你们还是回去当奴隶，办血汗工厂吧--BTW, the European post-war recovery exactly went through an industry upgrading process as well as the quick increase in living standards and labor rates. The Euro-US relation is quite harmonious in the golden 1950s-1960s.

Americans are rational animals: they fear your competitive capacity, but they also LIKE YOUR BIG CONSUMER MARKET. Ever since 1990, the main appeal of China to the west world is its enormous market potential.

But if China still compete on the cheap labor, what will happen is that China will build up big capacity in all new industries, but Chinese still live under high inflation and similarly low living standards, while bringing down the living standards of all European and American workers.

Is that the lose-lose result we want to see from this globalization comedy?

IN THE LAST 10 YEARS, CHINESE ENJOY TREMENDOUS GDP NOMINAL GROWTH, while most benefits of growth STILL GO TO A LIMITED GROUP OF POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC ELITES, while the majority of Chinese just see their living standards stagnating like in 2000.

IS THAT WHAT TODAY'S MAJORITY OF CHINESE WANT FOR TODAY AND THE FUTURE?

This is not a question for you, this is a question for other average Joes on this forum.