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              • 家园 我觉得你可能听不到你想听的

                我也有点好奇,想听听在美国的人如何说——先说明下,我既不幸灾乐祸也没兔死狐悲,至少目前还没。主要还在吃惊中,美帝耶,混不好的人肯定有,但是混到这么多人(还是受过良好教育的白人)没饭吃,真的假的?特别是以前还看过有人说美国人民多么多么浪费云云。

                以前每次讲到别的话题,从小孩上幼儿园到办公室斗争,总是有许多人出来讲各种自己或别人的故事。但是这次,有种古怪的缄默……到现在为止我还没看到像以前一样有人出来八卦。不是高度抽象地谈谈革命意义就是不以为然,无视。

                • 家园 他们很多人背了沉重的学生贷款

                  当然很多人去学什么女性研究之类的专业,个人觉得活该。但是的确也有一些是正经专业然后搞不到工作还不起贷款。

                • 家园 有什么可八卦的,美国从中国抽血养99%早就举世皆知了

                  河里的八卦着眼点主要在这样的情形还能持续多久,以及如何如何的让中国的99%咽不下这口气。大概就是这么个疙瘩。

                  现在的问题是这个抽血系统出现运转不良的迹象,但是原因却讳莫如深,没人愿意深挖这个坑,挖不好会出现地陷的。一般也就炒炒美帝做为这个系统的运营商管理不善的冷饭。

              • 家园 这个1%与99%的故事是全球性的

                美国的99%仍然能比其他国家比如中国的99%过得好,是因为美国的1%与中国的1%还不能光明正大的穿一条裤子,仍然为了维护各自的利益为各自面对的99%上演各式各样的主权主义闹剧。现在美国99%快觉醒了,中国的99%一大部分也早就觉醒了,但被中国的1%高压了,如果最后全世界99%能够成功,那肯定还要归功于美国那部分99%的,中国99%觉悟不高,当无毛蛋的太多。如果没有成功,那么最后就是全世界的1%大联合,连目前那点“民族,主义,主权”的面具都会被甩到垃圾桶去,全世界的99%的主流趋势会上一步步的“返贫”,但对那些本来“贫”的99%对其感觉不如发达国家的99%强烈而已。

                今天中国上演的不过是重复美国从70年代开始的故事,区别是在美国叫做1%富民穷,在中国被叫做“国”富民穷,但这个造词的权利在美国与中国是不同的,因此围绕这个“国”富民穷讨论本身就是闹剧。

    • 家园 天涯上有个帖子很好,大家可以过去帮忙

      天涯上有个帖子很好,大家可以过去帮忙

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      这贴里网友们在翻译美国人发上网的诉苦图片

      • 家园 这都是老百姓的呼声,相当于我们的新式整军运动

        不是谁比谁惨的问题,而是恐慌和不满情绪已经蔓延到中层阶级的问题,而是肉食者能不能及时倾听呼声及时给出化解之道的问题,否则就是变天的先兆了。

      • 家园 去看了下,想起厄普顿.辛克莱的小说,《屠场》

        初中的时候在学校图书馆借过的书,记得是说上世纪20年代俄罗斯移民在美国谋生的事,工作的地方就是屠宰场,中间有抵押贷款买房子到后来房子被银行收回,家庭破碎,组织工会,还有主角的迷惘和流浪。

        后来自己也工作了,一年多吧,记得有天在广州的站前路等车;忘了当时因为啥,还记得的就是看着来来往往的车流和酒店闪烁的霓虹招牌,突然觉得所在的地方就是小时侯书上电影里说的光怪陆离的资本主义社会啊。

    • 家园 再发新图:在美华人也来诉苦

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      外链图片需谨慎,可能会被源头改

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      外链图片需谨慎,可能会被源头改

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    • 家园 齐泽克今天的讲话

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      Part One

      …2008 financial crash more hard earned private property was destroyed than if all of us here were to be destroying it night and day for weeks. They tell you we are dreamers. The true dreamers are those who think things can go on indefinitely the way they are. We are not dreamers. We are awakening from a dream which is tuning into a nightmare. We are not destroying anything. We are only witnessing how the system is destroying itself. We all know the classic scenes from cartoons. The cart reaches a precipice. But it goes on walking. Ignoring the fact that there is nothing beneath. Only when it looks down and notices it, it falls down. This is what we are doing here. We are telling the guys there on Wall Street – Hey, look down! (cheering).

      In April 2011, the Chinese government prohibited on TV and films and in novels all stories that contain alternate reality or time travel. This is a good sign for China. It means that people still dream about alternatives, so you have to prohibit this dream. Here we don’t think of prohibition. Because the ruling system has even suppressed our capacity to dream. Look at the movies that we see all the time. It’s easy to imagine the end of the world. An asteroid destroying all life and so on. But you cannot imagine the end of capitalism. So what are we doing here? Let me tell you a wonderful old joke from communist times.

      A guy was sent from East Germany to work in Siberia. He knew his mail would be read by censors. So he told his friends: Let’s establish a code. If the letter you get from me is written in blue ink ,it is true what I said. If it is written in red ink, it is false. After a month his friends get a first letter. Everything is in blue. It says, this letter: everything is wonderful here. Stores are full of good food. Movie theaters show good films from the West. Apartments are large and luxurious. The only thing you cannot buy is red ink.

      This is how we live. We have all the freedoms we want. But what we are missing is red ink. The language to articulate our non-freedom. The way we are taught to speak about freedom war and terrorism and so on falsifies freedom. And this is what you are doing here: You are giving all of us red ink.

      There is a danger. Don’t fall in love with yourselves. We have a nice time here. But remember: carnivals come cheap. What matters is the day after. When we will have to return to normal life. Will there be any changes then. I don’t want you to remember these days, you know, like - oh, we were young, it was beautiful. Remember that our basic message is: We are allowed to think about alternatives. The rule is broken. We do not live in the best possible world. But there is a long road ahead. There are truly difficult questions that confront us. We know what we do not want. But what do we want? What social organization can replace capitalism? What type of new leaders do we want?

      Remember: the problem is not corruption or greed. The problem is the system that pushes you to give up. Beware not only of the enemies. But also of false friends who are already working to dilute this process. In the same way you get coffee without caffeine, beer without alcohol, ice cream without fat. They will try to make this into a harmless moral protest. They think (??? unintelligible). But the reason we are here is that we have enough of the world where to recycle coke cans…

      Part Two

      ….Starbucks cappuccino. Where 1% goes to the world’s starving children. It is enough to make us feel good. After outsourcing work and torture. After the marriage agencies are now outsourcing even our love life, daily.

      Mic check

      We can see that for a long time we allowed our political engagement also to be outsourced. We want it back. We are not communists. If communism means the system which collapsed in 1990, remember that today those communists are the most efficient ruthless capitalists. In China today we have capitalism which is even more dynamic than your American capitalism but doesn’t need democracy. Which means when you criticize capitalism, don’t allow yourselves to be blackmailed that you are against democracy. The marriage between democracy and capitalism is over.

      The change is possible. So, what do we consider today possible? Just follow the media. On the one hand in technology and sexuality everything seems to be possible. You can travel to the moon. You can become immortal by biogenetics. You can have sex with animals or whatever. But look at the fields of society and economy. There almost everything is considered impossible. You want to raise taxes a little bit for the rich, they tell you it’s impossible, we lose competitivitiy. You want more money for healthcare: they tell you impossible, this means a totalitarian state. There is something wrong in the world where you are promised to be immortal but cannot spend a little bit more for health care. Maybe that ??? set our priorities straight here. We don’t want higher standards of living. We want better standards of living. The only sense in which we are communists is that we care for the commons. The commons of nature. The commons of what is privatized by intellectual property. The commons of biogenetics. For this and only for this we should fight.

      Communism failed absolutely. But the problems of the commons are here. They are telling you we are not Americans here. But the conservative fundamentalists who claim they are really American have to be reminded of something. What is Christianity? It’s the Holy Spirit. What’s the Holy Spirit? It’s an egalitarian community of believers who are linked by love for each other. And who only have their own freedom and responsibility to do it. In this sense the Holy Spirit is here now. And down there on Wall Street there are pagans who are worshipping blasphemous idols. So all we need is patience. The only thing I’m afraid of is that we will someday just go home and then we will meet once a year, drinking beer, and nostalgically remembering what a nice time we had here. Promise ourselves that this will not be the case.

      We know that people often desire something but do not really want it. Don’t be afraid to really want what you desire. Thank you very much!

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